Muslims flee Northern Ireland to escape anti-Islam violence

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Dublin Mosque is a mosque on the South Circular Road, Dublin in Ireland. It is the headquarters of the Islamic Foundation of Ireland. (Wikipedia)
Dublin Mosque is a mosque on the South Circular Road, Dublin in Ireland. It is the headquarters of the Islamic Foundation of Ireland. (Wikipedia)

WASHINGTON, June 3, 2014 — Some Muslims in Northern Ireland have announced plans to leave the country to avoid anti-Islamic violence. The announcement comes after an attack on a Muslim family in the city of Belfast, when crazed rioters broke into their home and assaulted them.


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The home invasion came after remarks from Belfast based Pastor James McConnell, who said in a sermon “The God we worship and serve this evening is not Allah. The Muslim god-Allah-is a heathen deity. Allah is a cruel deity. Allah is a demon deity.” He later added that Islam is “a doctrine spawned in hell.” Hospitalization was required for at least one of the victims. 

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A second attack occurred only hours later, also resulting in injuries. Victims told the Northern Ireland News Letter “The victim’s friend, who had been cleaning up the broken glass outside the house after an attack earlier that day, said those involved in the attack had called the pair ‘dirty Arabs’ and ‘Paki b******s.’”

The term “Paki” is viewed as a racial slur in Europe , particularly when directed at individuals of Pakistani descent (or of a similar appearance to those who come from Pakistan). The News Letter reports a young woman and a middle aged man have been arrested in connection with the attacks.


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Pastor Paul Burns of Adullam Christian Fellowship Church in Belfast agreed, telling the Belfast Telegraph “When Pastor McConnell is talking about it as a direct teaching of Satan – it is.”

The Christian News Network reports “Following McConnell’s May 18th sermon, the Police Service of Northern Ireland investigated the preacher for allegations of hate crime. Northern Ireland’s Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness described the preacher’s comments as ‘hate mongering’ and said the anti-Muslim statements ‘must be condemned in the strongest possible terms.’”

McGuinness told the Daily Mirror “Coming in the wake of recent spate of disgraceful racist attacks against families in parts of Belfast and elsewhere, such inflammatory comments only serve to fuel hatred … [It is] essential that there is a full and thorough investigation of these comments and their potential to generate further racist attacks.”

The First Minister of Northern Ireland, Peter Robinson, has also thrown his support behind Pastor McConnell. According to the BBC “[Robinson] went on to say that he would not trust Muslims either.”

The remarks by the Pastor and First Minister have been met with strong criticism from the Christian community. Presbyterian Reverend Dr. Rob Craig spoke out against the remarks to the BBC, stating “They are not consistent with the Gospel of Christ and the love of God. I would be deeply offended if someone were to brand either all Presbyterians or all Christians with some extreme act by someone who claimed to do it in the name of Christ. I want to treat my neighbor as I would want to be treated myself.”

“As Christians, it is our duty to spread the love of God across Ireland to those whom we meet and with whom we come into contact, irrespective of nationality, race or creed, and be gracious in doing so,” said a spokesperson for another Church to the Belfast Telegraph. “I would reject any generalized view of Muslim people,” he continued. “I do not view Islam as a monolithic religion but as taking different expressions and possessing within itself a variety of theological traditions.”

“I believe that the Church of Ireland is right to engage in constructive dialogue with other religions. To do so is not to endorse other religious beliefs but is to recognize those of other faiths who are willing to join in such an effort will do so in the right spirit,” said Canon Ian Ellis, editor of The Church of Ireland Gazette.

Facing a police investigation over instigating a hate crime, Pastor McConnell has attempted to backpedal by apologizing to the victims of the attack and offering to pay for the damages caused by the home invasion. It is unknown if the offer to pay for the attack counts as a legal admission of guilt in Northern Ireland. First Minister Robinson has also backed away from his remarks. Critics describe the apologies and changes in demeanor as “insincere.”

“I’m regretting what happened to me. The friends told me yesterday ‘we were right what we told you before, not to go [to Northern Ireland],'” said Muhammad Asif Khattak, a victim of the attack, to BBC.

BBC reports that hate crimes in the country are up 30% from last year, but successful investigations into attacks has plummeted to 20%.

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  • Judy G

    mmmm interesting – IMHO Muslims have an uncanny knack of making any situation look like they are the victims of the situation – while I fervently hope that “moderate muslims” exist I have yet to see one skerrick of evidence that this is so – the world as we know it is in peril as the Muslim diaspora marches on relentlessly with their aim as detailed in the Koran is to make the world a Muslim Caliphate and kill off us infidels

    • RockyMissouri

      I thought it was fundamentalists, of ALL KINDS…that was the problem, not the regular religious folk. ONLY THE EXTREMES.

      • Triarius

        Please name me one Catholic or Buddhist that blew themself up and killed children. I’ll wait.

        • RockyMissouri

          The IRA killed people….and Buddhist monks in Myanmar targeted families.. Buddhist monks…!! And I recall, from 20 years ago, a man, Baruch Goldstein entered the Cave of the Patriarchs and massacred 29 people. He was a physician.

          No one is better than anyone else. We should condemn ALL violence, no matter who commits it.

          • Triarius

            So what is the name of the IRA terrorist that strapped a bomb to his chest and killed children?

          • Thomas Brown

            24,000 acts of muslim terrorism since 9/11. how many IRA terrorists?

          • Matthew O Stroben

            Unfortunately we are not talking about men. We are talking about a religion who’s teaching condone these actions.I am sure you are intelligent, but you are ignorant of the true teachings of Mohamed.

          • RockyMissouri

            Muslims have as much of a right to worship as ANYONE. I bet you didn’t know that Jesus is mentioned in the Koran, several times..? A wonderful documentary on the National Geographic channel showed me how little I knew.
            Also, the killing of innocents is forbidden.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            Does the Quran really contain dozens of verses promoting violence?

            Summary Answer:

            The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

            Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

            The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today’s Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

            Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy – and that of his companions – along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

            The Quran:

            Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…

            but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from “fitna” which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until “religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief

          • Christian Knight

            Allah is not a loving god… Show any passage from the quran were Allah is loving…

          • Nadia

            THere are many ayats. Generally Allah is loving because it has not struck you with lightening yet. Literally

          • Anne Mallin

            Our borders should never let anyone in who doesn’t pledge allegiance to our ‘nation under God’, who cannot read Eng. and speak it at least minimally and continue learning.
            We no longer require citizen ship to live here, defunded the road to it, we forgot who God is and how important he is in our lives and we dethroned Him.
            Even though we are commanded to love one another and do unto others as we would have done to us, we also have to abide by the books like Ephesians, Timothy and Titus , where rules for Godly living is laid out for us and make our paths straight.
            Unless and until we require such loyalty again, we are chopping off our own legs and no longer are a Christian nation.
            Good for Ireland and the EU countries for at least requiring more extensive rules than the US has with all it’s military budget we cannot keep Humpty Dumpty from falling.
            WE don’t use our blessings for staying Godly and bringing Godly people here.
            We have prostituted our nation financially and morally.
            Hence the downfall that is happening now.
            Pray to the Lord for our people who make laws and corporations to return to the Christian nation that made them great.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            I have the rest of this article if you like. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

          • RockyMissouri

            It’s called: Propaganda. It’s what one ‘religion’ does to slime another. Charming.

          • Christian Knight

            You really don’t know anything about Islam ..

          • Ron Krandle

            Why, sure he does. He saw a documentary on the National Geographic channel.

          • R Lee Urbanski

            I wonder if that documentary told him that Allah is not God and that Allah was one of 360 false Deity’s that was worshiped, just about one for everyday until Allah was chosen.

          • Ernie Combs

            And the true infidel exposes himself………..sorry Rocky, you did to yourself.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            Infidels are not innocent. Truly they are not even thought of as humans. Stop listening to politically correct garbage. Listen to the news in Europe and Syria.

          • Veroniqua

            The killing of innocents only applies to muslims as they are not responsible for their actions.

          • oohdale

            Your mislead and sick too by the way.

          • Erin Ahmed

            Wrong Rocky, so, so very wrong.There are 109 verses in the unholy koran commanding violence against ‘infidels’. If all muslims did was worship, no one would have an issue with them. I lived with them they are definitely NOT peaceful, non violent people. I was married to one and lived in that culture for eight years. They treat women as less than human, children as young as six are married off to old men, wives are beaten, abused, mutilated and murdered, women are raped and then sentenced to death for “allowing” it, people of other religions from infants to elderly are murdered in the most vicious and brutal manner, gays are slaughtered, honor killings, and the list goes on. I’ve seen the head cut off of a 5 yr old girl and swung around while the monster that did it yells ‘allahu akbar’. This is what the nicey nice National Geographic doesn’t show you and what you are defending.

          • RockyMissouri

            It’s wrong to condemn all Muslims just because of some who twist and pervert the teachings….and it is just as wrong to say the same of Christians who do the same.. Using violence on people who are different is WRONG, no matter who it is….or who their ex spouse is.

          • Erin Ahmed

            You are not listening Rocky… I LIVED it and I’m telling you it is a plague on mankind. When have you seen in today’s society ANY other religion that does the things these people do? If other muslims don’t believe in their actions, then where is their outrage? Look at the Westboro Baptist church as an example, any Christian worth his salt has stood up and condemned their outrageous antics, and they haven’t even done anything half as horrific as followers of islam have. If other muslims want us to believe they can live peacefully with others (and they can’t) then they need to start proving it (but they won’t) or they are just as guilty as the ones committing these atrocities. And if you think defending them will keep you safe, guess what…. you’re head will come off with all the other ‘infidels’ as well. You better open your eyes and see the truth while your head is still attached to your shoulders. This is no joke, it’s a mental disease that is spreading faster than the black plague.

          • RockyMissouri

            Shame on you. You are a fomenter of hate….!!

          • Erin Ahmed

            Wrong again Rocky, you are a defender of hate. You are either one of them to think there is anything ok about what they do or you are just willfully ignorant, which is even worse.

          • Eleanor Boening

            Rocky… you are an ignorant fool. Erin is telling the truth but you are too blind to see it.

          • hktony

            Rocky is a brainwashed liberal or a muslim. We dont even need erin to tell us how it is in muslim places, you only need to go to england to see the pakiistani rape gangs or look at any muslim country. No the answer is clearly in the Koran, Jihad and Sharia law for everyone or be killed.How much clearer does it have to be. Islam is a crime on humanity. A stain on mankind. It needs to be made illegal and all muslims from every generation deported back to a muslim hell hole with no health care, no benefits, no freedom. They like it, then fck off. Rocky u can go to if you like islam so much!

          • Christian Knight

            For telling the truth RockyMissouri, do you know anything about Islam,,. just curious.. if you don’t you can’t question on this matter..

          • RockyMissouri

            You are a horrifying example of a ‘Christian’…

          • Christian Knight

            Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)

            7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

            2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

            3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

          • ysabal ysabal

            Christian Knight, you are incorrect in thinking that we are not to judge. Judgement is extremely IMPORTANT for a Christian. How then could you tell the difference between good and evil? We HAVE to judge. Jn: 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” The scriptures you quote are about judging someone’s heart (their motives)-you do not know that, ONLY God. Also, look at 1 Cor. 5:11-13 & Matt 18:15-17 & Rom: 12:9 to name a few. PLEASE people think before you quote the Word. Know it-don’t randomly spew things you “think” or “have heard”. Read your Bibles!

          • Anne Mallin

            ysabel-
            So darn correct. Keeping our nation holy and it’s people isn’t religion, it’s essentially keeping our codes for putting God first.
            We have to learn what is godly behavior and thinking and right living !!

            Our nation has put God out of school prayers, they don’t go hear the word of God and their parents don’t abide by it and they don’t see Xian behavior and Godliness modeled for them in their homes.
            They don’t even have scriptures to pull from their heads like,”Trust in the Lord with all of your heart , and lean not unto thine own understanding.”
            I don’t know what I would do with the words from the Lord our God.
            I think I would see no reason to live here.
            I was lost at one time, but a Xian girl told me to talk to a man who would give me some answers and he was a man of God and he taught me to read my bible and we studied and then I got my education at a school who taught me about God, not religion.
            What can we expect?
            All I can say is keep on talking about ** Discernment** because unless we know what Godly behavior is through the WORD, how can we live it or teach it to our kids?

          • RockyMissouri

            SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE is a great thing…..!!

          • hadar

            you believe that and yet you defend islam which demands a religious state in all it’s “glory”…how could you know so little and speak so much???

          • Nadia

            . In a diverse society, Seperation of church and state is one of the better solutions. But people still take bits and pieces of what they want to be lawful or unlawful. In usa people are prosecuted for committing incest which is a universal belief as a bad deed in religous societies(Christians, Muslim, Jewish other beliefs, and some nonbeleivers) This is actually forbiidden iin the Qur an and the Bible. But why does the government take some acts as unlawful and excuse things that are unlawful , make lawful what is unlawful and make unlawful what is lawful, such as abortion, gay marriage, pologymy, taking intoxicants. It is either are bad or all good.

          • Babylonandon

            THAT idea (which is NOT written anywhere in the Constitution) was supposed to keep the Government from forming a national religion or interfering with the operation of the churches … you need to read the Federalist Papers sometime so you understand what the Founders were creating.

          • Anne Mallin

            The Greek word for “church” is the ‘ecclesia’… that is not a building, it means ‘the called out ones’.
            There isn’t need to go to a building, but also you cannot separate the people from laws, which are all based on mercy or should be.
            God is the word ‘love’.
            Love is an action word.
            Therefore, how can anyone separate love from laws? The result is a country which is either communist ( changed over time) , cruel, Greed, people who are subjugated due to ‘religion’.
            Jesus hated religious people of the day. He called them ‘white washed tombs’.
            Know Jesus, know his Peace by reading and thinking about what he said in Matthew , Mark , Luke and John.
            Jesus said, ” I require Mercy rather than sacrifice.” People were giving money to the Temple , like a sacrifice… lambs, goats, etc.
            When Jesus came to Earth as a man, he told many parables and likened us to innocent sheep, not knowing where we are going.
            He is our shepherd.
            He ‘s not going to put a ring through your nose to follow him. That is your decision to follow his wisdom, what is best for us in the long run.
            Read the parable about the lost sheep, … he’ll go to great lengths to get us back on track with him as the head of our lives, but we have to have a relationship.
            Jesus said, ” i know my sheep and my sheep know me.”
            Those who read his words will know how we should live to thrive, not just survive .
            Jesus came to fulfill the old Testament, it took thousands of years to get man to see a person CANNOT KEEP ALL LAWS OF anything.

            Only a relationship with the Lord keeps you stable and it grows over time. You will know him . Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.”
            v.8 ” For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks , the door will be opened.”
            When God first made man, man went so bad, and God had so much grief over what he perceived as his error … he was so passionately upset and the emotion of God is not easily contained.
            God sent Jesus as the peace, the mediator all the names he goes by, LOVE is Jesus.
            God in the old Testament had a huge change of plans, hence the rainbow we see to this day.
            When you see a rainbow, it’s God’s promise to us he will never do that again, destroy the world in a flood.
            But , ask him to come into your life. We are babes in Christ. WE nave to learn and feel his love.
            When I read Jesus’ words, he says, “Do not judge.”
            That is God and Jesus’ job.
            All that is commanded of us is to love everyone. No exceptions.
            Matthew 7:12 ” In EVERYTHING do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”
            That is all we have to do.
            What a wonderful world this would be if we didn’t spend $500 Billion dollars on the military to try to ‘drag people by the nose’ into that law !
            People would knock you down to find your love, and we can only give true love that comes from God who sent his only little boy to die a cruel death by men who judged him…. religious people.
            Love people, all people, every day as much as you can as often as you can……
            God sent many prophets, and few would listen.
            Pray to the Lord Jesus, because God cannot look at anything unholy, he looks at us through his ‘window’ – which is Jesus.
            God will not look at us only through his Son, Jesus.
            Simply Love, an action word.

          • Jer

            How foolish. You have to not just read but understand. We who don’t behead people get to judge those how do. I’m good with judging those killer freaks. We judge every single person we come into contact with. That’s just a fact. You really shouldn’t quote what you don’t understand.

          • making_pie

            lol with your mis-applying scriptures, you pathetic and ignorant a$$.

          • Christian Knight

            Who gives you the right to judge people RockyMissouri you do not have a concept on Islam yet you make remarks on things you don’t know..

          • RockyMissouri

            Like YOU.

          • RockyMissouri

            Neither do YOU.

          • sense

            ^Muslim in disguise^ = Taqyya(lie permitted by the Islam for reaching an islamic ideological goals.

          • jon

            exactly….it means it is hallal or permitted by alah to lie to the infidel,and say he is your friend, then slit his throat 30 years later, to please alah….this is not a joke….they will play friends for YEARS AND THEN KILL YOU!!!!!

          • duffy

            You are the first person I’ve ever seen that mentioned Taqiyya or Kitman for that matter in a post on Islam. Americans are so very bereft of knowledge on Islam it’s breathtaking. We will be defeated if we don’t wake up to the violence and hatred they have for the non-believer.

          • RockyMissouri

            Piffle!

          • You tell them Erin! We need more people like you, to post everywhere you can. You keep on posting the truth of Satan’s religion and I’ll keep praying for you and for others of us who love to inform people of the truth of this blood lusting ideology. God Bless you and may He be with you, all your days.

          • youknowthethingis

            It’s ridiculous that the Islamic apologists and Muslims alike claim “you know nothing of Islam.” I haven’t read every single post here, but a good majority of everyone’s comments. I think I got this straight. You were married to a practicing Muslim in an Islamic country. You lived there amongst them for 8 or so years. Being a non/Muslim and a female foreigner made you part of or the only person belonging to that minority segment in the area, I assume. You were abused in many unfortunate ways by the Islamic population precisely because you’re a non/Muslim and a female foreigner. Also you witnessed widespread abuse of Muslim women and children by “moderate” Muslims. The perpetrators of these crimes were not arrested, jailed or ostracized for their actions. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like this kind of behavior is in no way frowned upon in Islamic society. It seems to me that you’re saying this way of life is completely accepted by the “everyday, threat to no one Muslim.” Call me crazy, but it kind of sounds like this sort of complaint is pretty common throughout the world. How can this be though? Islam is actually a peaceful religion I’m told and it’s only some bad apples that give the rest a bad name much like every other religion, race, ethnicity, political party, etc. Perhaps my warped American mind has misintrpreted who the victim is here and I shouldn’t be such a stickler for not hating or hurting people that aren’t exactly like me. They beat you for not being a Muslim, well that’s your fault. You’re a woman (also your fault) so obviously choosing a belief system that fits you is way beyond your mental capacity which is evident in the fact that you chose wrong. Also, if you’re to wear anything but a black full body cover in the desert heat, I as a man cannot be held responsible for anything done in response. I have completely “submitted” my mind, body and will to Allah. Whatever happens next is His will. And odds are you’re probably from the “Great Satan” United States anyway! A place so perverse, its men are punished for beating women, where kidnapping mentally ill children and using them as suicide bombers like ISIS in Iraq and Syria is seen as a heinous crime and worst of all women can actually just wear whatever they please! Those pig men even degrade themselves by watching evil women parade in nothing but undergarments walking back and forth. Especially those horrible women in the Victoria’s Secret commercial during the SB!
            Ok, obviously bad people do bad things and they come from everywhere and look like everyone. The issue is the response that their respective societies offer. In most of the world, being right is not dictated by brute force. If a man rapes a woman, he’s investigated and its determined using craziness like science and facts to see if he deserves to be imprisoned. Crazier still, the woman can actually be the witness. I don’t support harming Muslims because two wrongs don’t make a right. Hate the sin, not the sinner and all that good stuff, but I would never hesitate to protect someone like Erin here from the actions taken by someone compelled by an ideology of hate, intolerance and ignorance. This is not necessarily only Islam either. Any idea can be manipulated to bring evil. Our civil societies main issue is that most of our efforts at deterring evil comes from Islam. It’s not only the beheadings and suicide bombings your “violent minority” commits, but every woman degraded, every boy taught that he can own people as long as they are different and every girl who has no hope of ever feeling like a human being that the “moderate” Muslim “man” may or may not participate in, but allows to happen. We are lectured incessently of how we misinterpret your beliefs and holy text, but I fail completely to understand how all of your desires for “peace” can bring so much pain and suffering.
            I really just wanted to say, I’m sorry you had to go through that and don’t listen to anyone who says you don’t know anything of Islam because unfortunately you’ve had to learn way too much.

          • oohdale

            And if you think defending them will keep you safe, guess what…. you’re head will come off with all the other ‘infidels’ as well. You better open your eyes and see the truth while your head is still attached to your shoulders. This is no joke, it’s a mental disease that is spreading faster than the black plague.

          • Thomas Brown

            Drop it. Wake up.

          • Bob

            have you ever heard of “takiyya”.
            look it up sometime. It basically says it is OKAY to LIE to the infidels.
            They are to KILL us or convert us to islam.
            wake up and smell the coffee

          • Nadia

            Oh it bascially say this or that. its does not say that. there are about 3 acceptable time that a Muslim can lie. During that time during war. And it is not talking about a lady just walking down the streets minding her business. Stop with your lying about us. If you seriously believe I am going out to my university and kill someone because they dont agree with me then you have serious mental issues. You and other people are thinking like this and it is so disgusting. You can be influenced by faith but no one can convert you except God.What I mean is God who guides the patient and maintains him/her to the right path.

          • sheepdog

            Hello my love do you still wnt to come to my house? im ready for you

          • making_pie

            ALLAHPOO SNACKBAR!!! (where you devil monkey’s eat pig shyte 24hrs)

          • wri7913

            Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically
            every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go so far as
            to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream … Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era. – At-Taqiyya fi’l-Islam Written (in Arabic) by Dr. Sami Mukaram, a former Islamic studies
            professor at the American University of Beirut and author of some
            twenty-five books on Islam

          • Christian Knight

            No Muslim would even consider to twist and pervert the teachings of Islam they would be killed for doing so.. A Muslim can’t question the Quran, Allah or Muhammad that also carries a death sentence.. Being Muslim is being antichrist…

          • Ernie Combs

            To many, the silence of the Muslims you speak of, leans toward support for those “who twist and pervert the teachings”. So far, your lack of condemnation is a good indicator that you, yourself, are a supporter of those who “twist and pervert the teachings”.

          • Rob Silvertree

            Was it wrong to kill Germans and Japanese soldiers in WW2? Was it wrong to incarcerate those who may aid and abet them…Of course not. We, the civilised world have had this war with Islam imposed? upon us. We must kill the extremists and deport the rest. Argue any way you like…It is of no avail. War is awful, so is living under sharia and the rantings of a mediaeval paedo- psychopath.

          • RockyMissouri

            Get help.!!

          • Jer

            No it wasn’t wrong. But we must be careful walking down that path and make sure our actions are the right ones for the right reasons. Remember we did put over a 100 thousand Japanese – Americans in camps out of fear.

          • Lane Cobble

            Wrong. You don’t have the right to threat death, rape, torture, and slavery to every non-Muslim in the world, which is exactly what someone does when they self-identify as “Muslim”, which means they pledge allegiance to a book that declares war against all those who refuse to bow to Sharia Law and Muslim rule.

            By openly threatening the freedom of religion of others, along with every other basic human right, you thereby forfeit your own rights. Tough cookies. And all the fault of Muslims. They need to man up, take a look deep down inside, face the ugly facts of their death cult ‘religion’, and abandon it. If not, they will pay the price.

            No more Islam in the Americas or Europe. Period. Enough is enough.

          • Nadia

            I willl die a Muslim, how about you? I am Muslim and i do not advocate andy violence such as the one you named.I seriously do not know where your mind is if you think Islam advocate rape, torture, and slavery.You just don’t understand and as a Muslim it is so difficult to have to deal with the bad deeds of some Muslims and then deal with people liek you who add fuel to the fire.Life is so much more difficult becasue of two people: you and the extremists. I

          • wri7913

            Nadia, you need to educate yourself about your own religion. Then you would have any hope of finding out what everyone else has been telling you.

            You are living a lie!

          • sheepdog

            Did you know that Nadia the lying Muslima wanted to know where i live so her and her husband could come over and do great harm to me? i told her i would give her my address but she could not bring her husband as i don’t do threesomes…….point is she claims Mooselims are non violent and then she threatened me. Just proves that the Mohammadeans will lie steal cheat and rape from non muslims. do not ever take them as friends do not ever leave them alone with your small children

          • Lane Cobble

            They always, always, always eventually show their true, vicious, blood-thirsty and violent nature… or rather the nature of the god (satan) and the false prophet that they worship. When they have no more weak arguments to proffer, when they have nothing left to stand on, logically, morally, theologically, or historically, nothing left with which to defend their disgusting death cult ‘religion’, its twisted perversions and culture, and their violent, savage, neanderthal, sub-human co-religionists… they begin the death threats, the intimidation, the cries for “death to the Infidel”. Subtle and insinuated or direct and open, it’s all threats and intimidation in the end with Muslims.

            For in the end, that is all they have. Evil, darkness.

          • wri7913

            Rocky, problem with your thinking is there is a slight difference between Christians who do bad (go against the teachings of Christ) and Muslims who do “bad” (simply following the teachings of Allah and Mohammad). Mohammad was the perfect example of a Muslim for all time. He was a Warlord and a Pedophile. This tells you all you need to know about Islam.

          • Lea

            The only reason there are so many twisted and perverted muslims is because they emulate the words and deeds of a very evil man, and if you don’t know much about mohammad, then I said you do some research, and if you still think that anyone has twisted an perverted his teachings and example, then let me know.

            The difference between islam and christianity is that when the muslims commit murder, rape and other atrocities against innocent people, they are merely doing this in obedience to mohammad and allah.

            Whereas if a christian does these evil things, he does it in defiance of the teachings and example of Jesus Christ. Big, big difference.

            When muslims commit these barbarities it is due to the fact that their evil god sanctions their criminal actions. Islam is a crime against humanity.

          • oohdale

            You tell them Erin, I applaud you for it too.

          • Nadia

            You are applauding here for what, she could be advocagting for a ticket to hell and you are still applauding? Just because she lived ther a few years, does not make her an expert nor does she even have credibility to say ” this is true ,this is false”

          • Patrick

            My god are YOU FOR REAL??????????? She lived it you clown. She saw it. Its the faith of the anti Christ, meaning anti enlightened, Christ means enlightened in Greek. Your faith was founded by a sword wielding prophet, no prophets come with swords. They don’t need then if they come from the light. Their words are their swords. Islam was founded in blood, 1000’s and 1000’s were murdered just after that person died because they wished to leave. They have been fighting nonstop since then, shia and sunni for control of the ideology. The amount of horror it inflicts daily on women girls and non muslims places it firmly in the ‘is it demonic’ list. No god of love allows things like this to continue for millennia. So what sort of ‘god’ is it???We wonder you see? Christianity teaches non violence in its scriptures in the hope people will keep to it,( of course hoping appalling human behaviour for greed/power etc wont get too big a hold).Islam does indeed have 109 exhortions to shocking violence in Koran alone. You wont read your scriptures though, ever. ‘Woman is a vile beast’ (said by the perfect man himself), ‘women are as your valued stock (farm animals), ‘the inhabitants of hell are 95% women, they are too evil to go to heaven’, ‘remove them into bedchambers and beat them’, ‘women have no intelligence’ etc etc etc etc ad nauseam. The concept of paedophilia is unknown in islam because its a normal practise as per ‘perfect man’s example. There are even instructions on how to have ‘relations’ with v young children. Its called ‘thighing’ my dear. Women are only sex slaves in islam. People are only now realising that this shrouding of the female is HUGE EVIDENCE that this is all a female really is. Rape is totally allowed as well especially of non muslims but also their own ‘valued stock’, their females whose only purpose is to provide sex for Allah’s favoured sex.No man will ever be seen as guilty of rape. A woman is nothing, not worth punishing a man over and they will twist it to place blame on her in all cases. Plenty more sex slaves around. Men are Allah’s favoured, he doesn’t want them in trouble over a dumb dirty female. Its just doublespeak and ‘cover’. That’s why they don’t want females in heaven you see, because heaven is where a multitude of perpetual virgins are for the favoured sex to have an orgy for eternity. Don’t want filthy women from earth stuffing it up. If this wasn’t proof that this is a ‘faith’ built entirely to provide sex for males I don’t know what else would. Its drenched in it. They are too stupid to know that true bliss and enlightenment is something way beyond sex, way from the need to satisfy desire. True heavenly bliss is floating in the extreme joy of supreme light through all the soul. So no wonder some wonder about what the true ‘spiritual’ origins of this ‘faith’ are. When you study demonology its pretty chilling when you see what attributes are the make up of these beings. You know we used to laugh about that sort of thing as all fantasy but it would seem its not fantasy, the prophecy of the anti Christ made millennia ago. It means anti enlightened by the way, Christ means light in greek.’ It goes a bit like this ‘the anti Christ will come and trick a great many, a huge number for a long time, but it/he does not come from god and it will have to be destroyed’. We can do naught but now weep.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            The number of cruel or violent events in the Bible is 1214, in the Quran 527… Violence and cruelty total verses in the bible 31,173, in the Quran 6,236…

            THIS is your non-violent and peaceful bible?????

            Here is but a single example of the bible….. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: “And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them,” God says through the prophet Samuel. “But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” Peaceful? Loving? no… genocide… yes….. I could go on and list more but just this single verse shows that you are, in fact, mistaken…

            And before you go off and say I must be Muslim, I am not… I am also not Atheist nor Christian…

          • 3/1 Marine

            Wynema G.
            31,173 violent or cruel verses in the Bible?? I don’t believe you.
            What is your source??

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Corrected, I re-read the passage and it is 1214 violent and/or cruel events in the bible and 527 violent and/or cruel events in the Quran… It is 31,173 total verses in the bible.

          • 3/1 Marine

            ” 31,173 violent or cruel verses in the Bible”
            That statement shows how uninformed you are.

            “I re-read the passage and it is 1214 violent/or cruel events in the Bible”

            Oh really? so you were only off by 29,959 passages. Your credibility is seriously damaged by such fantasies.

            Now tell us your source? Where are you picking up this propaganda??

          • jody garrett

            And what’s the point anyway? Christians today, for the most part, do not take the Bible literally and run around lopping off heads etc. We have evolved and manage most of the time to execute acceptable behavior. % of muslims are stuck on stupid and that’s too large a number of the population.

          • PG

            That is the real problem , Christianity has evolved , but due to ultra conservative and probably uneducated religious leaders in the Islamic world , Islam has not evolved

          • curenado

            They can’t, won’t and never will.

          • Peter Kay

            rubbish

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            So you are saying that this is not true????? “1214 violent and/or cruel events in the bible and 527 violent and/or cruel events in the Quran…” Would you like for me to start quoting some of the worst of these passages from the bible??? Oh yes, way to come into a month old conversation…

          • Nomasidiotas

            There are 31,102 verses in the bible (OT and NT). There are only 6,236 verses in the Koran. According to your illogical and nonsensical “argument” which also completely ignores context, to be “fair” we would need to multiply those 527 violent/cruel Koranic acts by 5 to compensate as the Bible is five times the size as the Koran. Doing so (again this argument you are trying to make is nonsensical) results in the (now comparably sized) Koran having 2,635 acts of violence/cruelty vs the Bible’s only 1,214. Or if you prefer, go the other way to view proportionality and reduce the Bible by 5 and you get 243 vs. the 527 violent/cruelty in the Koran. But if you want to discuss context of the violence, the Christians of the NT are the *victims* of violence, not the perpetrators. In contrast, the Koran COMMANDS violence and cruelty against non-muslims. It is a sick, evil, violent book. I have several copies and have studied it.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            The point was that both religions are full of violence and atrocities… While yes you would have to multiply the verses in the Qu’ran… The fact still remains that over all that Christianity is actually responsible for more death and is also guilty of many forced conversions using death, threat of death and other things to force conversions… The bible also commanded violence and cruelty but most choose to ignore that fact… 360,000,000 deaths directly attributed to Christianity and that does NOT count any of the biblical events these were just since the mid 300’s when Christianity became legal.

          • Nomasidiotas

            360,000,000? I see you carefully parse your words . You say “directly attributed to Christianity”, so you are referring to only those killed directly in compliance with the tenets of Christianity “since the mid 300s”. As Christianity compels its followers to turn the other cheek or walk away if possible, and shake the dust off their feet, cite your sources, but don’t bother citing from any unreliable and easily discredited online source or blog that is uninformed speculation and that doesn’t end in .edu or .gov . And, obviously, this unsupportable figure you are citing can not include either of the World Wars as neither the Kaiser, nor the Nazis, nor the fascists, nor Imperial Japan fought in the name of Christianity. Nor obviously the massive death due to disease, not Christianity, in the early colonial period in the Americas. And certainly not the deaths due to Communists in the 20th Century who actually fought against Christianity in Europe, nor death by the medieval plagues. In context of course the Crusades were a necessary and certainly understandable response to the violent islamic expansion during the medieval and renaissance periods in Europe, and as they were defensive against invaders, do not count either.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            No alia… I am referring to deaths caused BY Christians in the name of God, the church, Christ and Christianity… Iskitini alia, there are many reliable sources other than edu and gov sites… No, wiki’s are not reliabe, I rarely use them and never when I am giving someone proof… Right now I am in the middle of mid-terms but when I get done with them I will be back. In the mean time try looking up things like the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, What was done to the Druids and Pagans, What happened to Native Americans, the atrocities of Columbus… There is a decent starting point for you. I see you disallow the Crusades, to do so is illogical, there were a minimum of 7 different Crusades and not only Islamic believers suffered due to them.

          • Nomasidiotas

            Go ahead and finish your mid-terms, but you clearly need to do many more years of research. This is related to my dissertation. The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition were areas of research for me for over 20 years. You are confusing the motivations of many disparate groups and attempting, incorrectly, to place them all under the umbrella of Christian motivation, apparently including attribution of microbes with such. It is historically unsound and easily refutable. I recommend you to try playing devil’s advocate against the arguments you are making, a technique it would help you to learn as an undergraduate, learning the actual argument and understanding them from positions other than the one you hold now. If you get eventually to the thesis level, this skill will help you. To help you focus on an opposing position, I recommend as a starting point for you the argument that Christians to be good Christians and follow the teachings of Jesus must never lie or harm others. Muslims to be good Muslims must follow the teachings of the Koran and Hadith and this includes killing those who do not believe as they do, forcing conversion, or implementing oppression.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            So, am I supposed to ignore the atrocities that did happen in the bible and that were committed by Christians stating they were doing so in the name of God and Christ? As for Christianity, I have seen that said of life as I belonged to it for close to 40 years.

          • Nomasidiotas

            Please give passages in the NT where Christians commit atrocities. If you claim you were in fact Christian to close to 40 years, you would know that such passages do not exist.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Genesis 34_13-29
            Exodus 2:12
            Exodus 21:20-21
            Exodus 32:27-29
            Leviticus 26:29, Deut 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10
            Leviticus 27:29
            Num 15:32-36
            Num 21:3
            Num 21:35
            Num 25:4-9
            Num 31:9-40
            Deut 2:33-34
            Deut 3:6
            Deut 20:16
            Deut 21:10-13
            JS 6:21-27
            JS 7:19-26
            JS 8:22-25
            JS 10:10-40
            JS 11:21-23
            JG 1:1-8
            JG 1:17
            JG 3:29
            JG 3:31
            JG 4:21
            JG 7:19-25
            JG 8:15-21
            JG 9:5
            JG 9:45
            JG 11:29-39
            JG 14:19
            JG 15:15
            JG 16:27-30
            JG 18:27
            Do you really want me to continue??? And I actually skipped some!!!! AND I am only up to Judges…

          • Nomasidiotas

            Quoting you: “… the atrocities that did happen in the bible and that were committed by Christians stating they were doing so in the name of God and Christ? ” I repeat your quote because I did not realize you were so unfamiliar with the bible. There are two parts, the Old Testament and the New Testament. Christians only appear in the New Testament, not the Old Testament. You would need to find these “atrocity” passages that would include Christians by starting your search in the first book of the New Testament, Matthew and search through to the end of the last book of the New Testament which is called Revelations. I will wait.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Easy as pie….. And I didn’t even include Revelations which is full of future atrocities!!!

            So, everything your God did is perfectly acceptable because
            he had his own son murdered… Interesting concept! Also most of the Christians I talk to say that Jesus was God personified… Even if we completely sweep the Biblical prophets and the Old Testament under the rug it doesn’t change the fact that Jesus in the New Testament is very violent. He promises to kill or subjugate all of his enemies, which includes those whose only crime is to refuse to believe in him. More importantly, the fact that Jesus promised to kill his enemies (a promise he made during his First Coming) even if he is yet to fulfill this promise… This shows that Jesus did not reject the violent ways of
            the earlier Biblical prophets. He simply was not in a position of authority or power to carry out these acts of unbridled violence. He wouldn’t have promised violence if he truly rejected it.

            That said… specific verses

            Matthew 3:10-12, 5:29-30, 7:19, 10:14-15, 10:21, 10:28, 13:41-42
            and 50, 15:4-7, 22:1-14, 24:50-51

            Mark 10:10-15, 12:46-47, 16:19-31, 19:22-27

            John 5:14

            Acts 3:23, 5:1-10, 12:23, 13:34,

            Hebrews 9:13-22, 10:27, 10:28-29, 11:17, 11:31, 11:35, 12:20,

            James 2:21

            1 Peter 1:2, 1:19-20

            2 Peter 3:7, 3:10

            I skipped many, many verses in order to not make this too long a post and I know you will likely say that many of these don’t count because they have not happened yet the issue is that they were PROMISED to
            happen which is an atrocity in and of itself… And I have not even started on the horrible atrocities committed by Christians in the name of God, Christ, Christianity since it was legalized in the mid-300’s AD…..

          • Nomasidiotas

            So you are saying that you do not understand context nor rhetorical devices?

            Matthew 3:10-12 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
            This is an atrocity? Who died?
            Matthew 5:29-30 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
            etc etc etc
            None of these quotes contain any atrocities. I suppose you just selected random quotes through an online search of NT “violence”. I knew you would find nothing because no one in the NT committed, to quote you “… the atrocities that did happen in the bible and that were committed by Christians stating they were doing so in the name of God and Christ?”, as you are trying to argue because there weren’t any. None. Nada. Not a single one.
            Then you actually say: “I know you will likely say that many of these don’t count because they have not happened yet the issue is that they were PROMISED to happen which is an atrocity in and of itself”
            You can’t be serious, things that ‘haven’t happened yet’ are an atrocity? I misjudged you, I thought you were might have been seeking a serious, mutually respectful discussion, agree-disagree, or even agree to disagree. You are not interested in facts nor are you interested in reasoned discussion.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Actually I misjudged you… I thought you wanted honesty and a discussion but I can see now that you are utterly blind to anyone who does not agree with you. I have been totally respectful to you and I have answered your questions just because you do not like the answers or disagree with them does not make my opinion invalid! I was correct about what you would say… I notice you chose not to point to any of the verses that had to do with cities being destroyed by order of God.

          • Nomasidiotas

            But Wynema, I am not talking about opinion, I am talking about facts. I think for the most part we have been mostly respectful to each other. I am not attempting to invalidate your opinions, everyone is entitled to them, and I respect the dignity of other individuals to freely express their opinions; whether I agree with or not is irrelevent. If you would like a point by point rebuttal of the above verses, I would actually do one for you, even though it is time consuming, because I think the point is important. Classifying supposedly future events as being atrocities is very Orwellian.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Christians point to future events all the time when they tell people of different beliefs that they will burn in a lake of fire for not converting, when they tell people of different faiths what their God will do to them, the Earth… We have not even started on what has gone on since Christianity was made legal… Things done under order of high religious officials, done in the name of God et al… There are literally well over a million different religious beliefs in this world and every single one of them believes that theirs is the one true religion, the one true God…

          • Lea

            There is only one right answer, and that is Jesus Christ since only he provides for the redemption of your soul from sin, granting you the free gift of righteousness so that you may enter into a relationship with your Creator. Receive him, and know the difference between deception and truth. Jesus said: salvation comes by the Jews.

            As for the evils that have been perpetrated under the blanket of christianity, it would be astonishing if there were not agents of darkness in the church. However, it changes not one jot or tittle regarding the Word of God, made manifest to man as according to the Book.

            It is christians that transformed this world into the advanced western civilisation that you might be enjoying today, with its freedom. This you do not find under islam.

          • Lea

            Yes, God is going to wipe out evil, along with all those human being who have chosen to reject his Son, Jesus Christ, and therefore rejects him too, the only plan provided by him to humanity for the salvation of your soul. God is very singular in this and he is the perfect judge, just in everything he does and says. Your objection is useless.

            The only purpose that the Torah has is to point the way to Jesus Christ, and the Gospels are the fulfillment of those prophecies. It is all about Jesus Christ. And you are right, Jesus is no wimp. He will return to judge the world. That will be an awful and terrible day for those who do no know his voice.

          • Nomasidiotas

            Just to be clear, again because I did not understand you were completely unfamiliar with the bible, there are no Christians in the Old Testament, as Christ and his followers do not make their appearance until the New Testament. The Old Testament contains the ancient history, stories, prophesies, poetry, and law of the Jewish people.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Funny thing, Jesus himself said he didn’t come to abolish any of the laws of the Old Testament… Interesting…

          • Nomasidiotas

            No, he didn’t come to abolish, he came to fulfill perfectly.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I have seen different sects of Christianity interpret that to mean he fulfilled it so the OT not longer counts and others that say he came to make sure they were followed completely… Ahhhhh well

          • Nomasidiotas

            There are many interpretations depending upon which sect of Christianity the individual practitioner adheres to.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I could swear I just said that…..

          • Lea

            The new testament would not be understood without the Old Testament being understood. For in the Old Testament was the foreshadowing of the redemption plan of God for humanity in the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ Jesus. The New Covenant sets us free from ritual, dogma and religon and ushers us into a new life, one walked in spirit and in truth, our hearts circumcised unto God, with his laws engraved thereon. Thus we do not give credence to the traditions of men. This is true christianity and freedom that is found in this truth that comes by believing in Christ Jesus, the only work of God that is required, the rest comes naturally.

          • John Fisher

            Christ is the new Moses who teaches the fulfilment of the Old Testament is to love the Lord God with all your soul. with all your might and your neighbour as yourself.

          • al11

            um…well, nice list…but none of them apply to christians. all of that was way back, wel before christ! nothing even remotely similar is told of in the new testament, which is the part of the bible telling of christ and his immediate followers.

          • John Fisher

            So you don’t accept God slowly revealed himself to the Jews and they fought to protect themselves? The Canaanites sacrificed their babies to their false gods! Christians regard the Old Testament as being fulfilled by Christ who taught us to seek peace and forgive our enemies. That is why Islam is to be opposed because it brings violence and another very false set of values. We don’t want Islam.

          • al11

            wynema, i have to point out that the bible contains no references to christians committing any sort of ‘atrocities’. christians specifically describe those who took christ as their belief, and records their actions and words in the spreading of the gospel. there is nothing in the bible showing that any of them ever did anything atrocious. the closest to something like that is the thing about paul writing his response to some ‘churches’ which had already started incorporating other religious practices into their christian beliefs and ‘doings’, telling them that these ‘worship practices’ were wrong and to not do them. but they committed no physical attacks upon anyone. as to things in the old testament which record israel’s battles with others, i think it’s reasonable to see that such events were in fact commensurate with the times, with what most ‘nations’ did when confronting others in war and battle. do not ignore the fact that israel was also held to the belief that God does not ignore the fact that they killed many and required atonement on the part of those warriors who killed in war. they were told to stay separate from the rest of israel for a time of repentence and renewal into the peaceful lives they believed God wanted for them. this is unique in all of history, and goes along with our beliefs today…true christians’ beliefs, that is…that if we do come into life-death situations and find that we must harm others, it still isn’t something God like and we are to understand that if we do such things, regardless of the situation, regardles of how much we were threatened, we are to see that we have still killed or harmed someone and that we need to have forgiveness, be ‘renewed’ as some like to say. true christians take no pleasure in such things, nor do we believe that doing such things is a ‘right’. they are situations that are beyond our ability to handle in some ways which would bring about perfect results…that is to say, have everyone come out of it alive and unharmed. God is not unaware that these situations occur, that there are some people who will harm others for their own gain. he neither condones such nor does he insist we simply accept such fate. but he does insist on us understanding that we must defend ourselves. and we must understand that we have put another soul into the situation…being dead…in which he/she can no longer repent. for such, we must accept responsibility and repent ourselves. hope that makes sense.

          • John Fisher

            It is very simple. I cannot see how you can fail to see sin when you see it. make sure you don’t sin yourself. Don’t think you are perfection and don’t blame and point fingers because it is reassuring and gives you purpose. Do you love Christ? Do you want to live a moral and good life? Do it and don’t gripe using what you judge to be failings of nations and humanity to justify your being disillusioned.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Wrong is wrong period!I have never thought I was perfection alia… And I never do anything I know is wrong, make mistakes, learn new things yes, purposefully do wrong, no… I will state facts when I see them and when I know them to do so is not pointing fingers it is simply telling the truth as I see it… No, I do not love “Christ”… I am not a Christian, I do not fault others for loving Christ if that is their belief as I believe that everyone must find and follow their own path providing it does not intentionally cause harm to others… I already lead a moral and good life, I do not need to believe in Christ nor God to do so….. I am not “disillusioned” I know exactly what I am doing, why I do it and why my own spirituality and beliefs are…

          • Lea

            Well said and so utterly logical!

          • John Fisher

            Yes there is the example of Christ and his teaching of peace. There is the violence and immoral example of Mohamed who killed, enslaved, raped, married an 8 year old girl, had harem and many official wives. He was such a liar he claimed every human is born a moslem. He hated Jews because they opposed him. He claim Abraham was a moslem and Jesus. Mohamed is liar and violent nut!

          • John Fisher

            The Crusades were a response to Moslem invasion and occupation of the Holy Land. These were Christian lands and Moslems started attacking and killing pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem. The Byzantine Emperor whose territory was under attack appealed for help from the West.
            The Spanish fought to take back their land after Moslem invasions from North Africa. They learnt the only way to defeat Islam is to fight its armies and make Moslems leave the country as a choice if they will not leave their violent false religion.

            Columbus mistakenly discovered America after looking for new trading routed following Moslems cutting off trading routes to the East. They did not know they carried disease. The Spanish also were astounded by the new unknown lands they discovered. Dominicans, Franciscans and other religious orders defended and tried to help natives.

            In Mexico the Aztecs sacrificed 20,000 a year. 500 Spaniards with 3000 Indians solders fought to stop the Aztecs. The Indians were sick of Aztecs killing their peoples.

            Druids were destroyed by Pagan Rome not Christianity. Paganism often had human sacrifice ad so was inhuman and should have been replaced by Christianity.

          • as

            you are totally ignorant of what u are saying true Christians don’t kill and terrorize others because a true Christian follow the teachings of Christ.. Christ never teach violence..He taught us love and forgiveness even while He is crucified in the cross..while mohammed on the other hand teach his followers to murder, torture, and terrorize the unbelievers..the murders, violence and attrocities that you are referring to are done by the anti-christ and not by the true believers of our Lord Jesus Christ…

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Really??? Are you saying that God never ordered peoples, even entire civilizations deaths??? That no Christian has killed in the name of God??? IF so then you need to ready your bible and research history…

          • Lea

            The command to exterminate the Canaanites, which YHWH mentioned by name, were applicable to a certain time and place. Christians do not kill in the name of God, they wage a just war against evil, our weapons are not carnal since the actual war is happening in unseen dimensions, however there comes a time when it is necessary, out of love for your people and country, and to protect the innocent, to stop tyranny and evil, to wage a physical war.

          • Mia Seths

            Past Christian atrocities do not threaten us today. Current Muslim atrocities do.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            PAST? They are still going on just look at CAR… In this country there are around 1,600,000 Muslims out of around 320,000,000… I seriously doubt that we are going to be over powered/run! Fear mongers and hate spreaders is what I see so much… I know several Muslim families and not one of them agrees with the ISIS or Al Queda BS… NOT ONE! And yet the average American has allowed the actions of a relative few radicals to color their opinions… We likely should not have this discussion because I doubt we will agree. I will just walk away in peace… Can you do the same?

          • Lea

            The issue in CAR Africa is one of muslim jihad on the people of CAR, who are christians and animists in the majority, in an attempt to take over their government and install an islamic state. The evidence shows this. This is definitely a case of defense of the kaffirs against the murderous muslim crime gangs, just like with the Buddhists in Burma.

            As for the empty denials of ISIS being islamic, and muslims not agreeing with them, what does it amount to? It is meaningless, for by doing so they are in fact, in denial of the fact that ISIS is practising Islam just the way the Mahomet did in the 7th century. To make a true and meaningful statement, it would be incumbent upon them to reject Islam completely and join the human race.

            It is muslims who are intolerant and cannot live in peace with others, not the other way round. It is muslims who seek to dominate kaffirs, since according to their sharia, kaffirs should never rule over muslims. The whole problem is islam and its slaves.

          • gizmo118

            Let’s get that number down to 0.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Way to slip into a conversation dead for 7 months now…

          • joames

            No. Jesus never carried a sword, never hit anyone and commanded people to love one another.

            ‘Violence’ was only in the Old Testament – which is a Jewish book really.

          • John Fisher

            This is a lie. 1/ Faith and baptism must be freely asked for or desired. “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread
            by the sword the faith he preached.” Byzantine Emperor, Manuel II then
            continues, saying, “God is not pleased by blood – and not acting
            reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the
            body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death…” Yet the Byzantines were conquered by the Moslems and all of the Christian lands of Egypt Syria North Africa subjugated.

            Christ was innocent and led to his death and did not raise a hand. Mohamed slaughtered innocents killed raped pillaged and live an immoral life. He also distorted and lied inventing his own holy book. This disproves any claim he made.

            Christ is a real model of goodness over the lies of the false
            prophet from Arabia. Christian missionaries and those who embraced Christianity in Canada and in the Pacific all over the world let themselves be killed as a witness.

            Missionaries in places like Asia encouraged indigenous peoples
            to keep their languages and maintain an identity against colonialism.

            European colonialism was driven by trade and greed not religion
            and religion often constrained and fed anti colonial sentiment.

          • Donna E Turner

            When did someone in Ireland get beheaded? Any other European country? Israel? You have an extremely ridiculous notion of the threat of Christianity or Judaism.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Does someone need to be beheaded for it to be wrong??? Is death not enough in and of itself? Does it matter HOW someone died or that they are DEAD?!??! In CAR Christians are killing, burning homes and businesses of those they disagree with… Is it alright that they do this because they are Christian? BTW I am entitled to my “notion” just as you are to yours…

          • zippetydodah

            Atheism has caused more atrocities than any Jewish or Christian religion. Try looking at Stalin, PolPot Cambodia, MaoZeTung China, Castro Cuba, The Trolls of North Korea, Viet Nam, Burma, East Germany, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Czeckoslavia, Bulgaria, Venezuela and all the rest = Hundreds of Millions of people killed in the name of NO GOD.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I am not an Atheist… Just so you know I am also not a Christian… Since Christianity was legalized in the 300’s CE more than 350,000,000 deaths can be directly attributed to Christians… These deaths do NOT include ANY biblical events…

          • joames

            Tell us how many times Christ performed a violent act.

            Waiting …

          • curenado

            You are a “lo infomashun” pestilence. You don’t even know what you are saying you just read some jihad rag and no more brains than that.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            You are a nonsensical and inane ignoramus who obviously trolled around looking to denigrate and insult people… Only one issue alia… It will not work on me 🙂 So go play in the freeway and try not to damage the cars when they hit you…

          • curenado

            I suppose you are one of these mumbling marble mouths claiming to be the original Jews as well as yankee doodle dandies from the 1700’s – you picked wrong family. If my family ever owned yours we kicked you out 200 years ago. Now everybody else will and it is way past time. Troll.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            HAHAHAHAAHAH OMG!!! You are one of the most hilarious ignoramus’ I have ever encountered 🙂 Iskitini alia… I can trace my family in this country for over 1700 years before things start getting a bit foggy! Since I am Native American there is no way I could claim to be “the original Jews” nor am I a “yankee doodle” dandy “from the 1700’s”… So try being an adult instead of a iskitini alia showing your lack of intelligence!

          • curenado

            You claim to be native but support the scum of earth and rave when it does not mean anything. I am native too. I wish you would be quiet and stop raving your tripe because all you are sa Ying is you are a black islam troll or supporter. Hope you are “intelligent” for famine, pestilence and war – rid of your ilk one way or another. That is the “truth” you keep honking about isn’t it? Well people are over-ready. I don’t believe you are native. You are black or muslim. Too bad.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            You are one ignorant idiotic and nonsensical ignoramus… A prejudiced racial bigot to boot which is obvious from how you write… How sad for you that your life is so miserable that you cannot allow others to live their own. I am actually much closer to being a Christian than I am to being a Muslim… I believe in facts and not fear-mongering like you do.

          • gizmo118

            You are a First American not a Native American.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Actually, if you want to do it this way it would be “First Peoples” if we were in Canada… I have never heard the term “First American” used before… The politically correct terminology IS in FACT “Native American”…

          • gizmo118

            I don’t give a hang about pc terms.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Really, than why respond to a post that is over 7 or 8 months old????

          • gizmo118

            Because bad thinking should never get a pass no matter how old. And what does PC have to do with time passing?

          • Flyingfiddlers

            I think you will find that most of the cruel acts in the Quran were committed by mohamad, while not a single act of violence was committed by Jesus in the bible. Remember Mohamad took 20% of all stolen goods as his “cut”, took girls of captured towns as sex slaves, considered women to be only half as intelligent as men, took a 6 year child as a “wife” and deflowered her at 9, he personally murdered thousands, killed all opposition to his authority…….killed non-muslims for being “non-muslim”. Your comparison is false and obfuscating.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I think you need to reread your bible… Though “Jesus” himself may have committed no known violence, it was definitely instigated…BTW… Do you NOTE I specifically stated GOD ordered the deaths?????

          • Flyingfiddlers

            I’m glad you say that Jesus was not in anyway violent, or murderous, or a 20% godfather type. In fact there are no two less alike people than Jesus and mohamad. I think you and I both realise that god didn’t write the bible. Specifically the bloody passages in the Torah were written by the victor posthumously justifying their actions. The important thing about Judaic and Christian or Buddist or Shinto or hindu traditions is that violent domination is not a requisite requirement of their faith. Jesus instructs the apostles to wipe the dust off their feet of any town in which they are not welcomed, note he doesn’t say they must convert or die or stay and pay a non-believers tax…or lose all property rites and become non-citizens. The good thing is that most muslims ignore the central tenets of Islam as do most Christians with christianist, however Christianity never justify s the horrors that Muslims of faith carry out as required by the Quran in the name of Islam.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I can agree with part of what you said and yet I disagree with some as well just too tired to get into it right now UGH!

          • gizmo118

            Mohammed was a psychopath.

          • Donna E Turner

            Jesus Himself fulfilled the Law. He came to give us a new Commandment Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself. You are now free to compare and contrast this statement by the disgusting Kaoran which the poor misguided moslems interpret to the detriment of EVERY OTHER group of people on this planet.

          • Donna E Turner

            koran 47:4 Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.

            koran 2:191 Slay unbelievers wherever you find them.

            koran 22:19 Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.

            koran 8:12 Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.

            koran 9:5 When opportunity arises kill the infidels wherever you catch them.

            koran 5:33 Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam.

            koran 9:123 Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.

            koran 8:60 Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.

            koran 8:65 The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.

            koran 3:85 Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.

            koran 3:28 Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.

            koran 9:30 The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.

            Summary of Sura verses dealing with dismemberment, homosexual and heterosexual pedophilia endorsed, allah is all deceiving, allah is unforgiving even to the repentant infidel.

            koran Sura just means chapterkoran Sura 5:35 and Sura 8:12 Sura 9:5

            koran Sura 9:80 no forgiveness

            koran Sura 9:123 Murder the unbelievers around you and let them find harshness in you

            koran Sura 13:42 …Allah is all deceiving (the Bible tells us that the father of lies is Satan)

            koran Sura 47:4 Clash with the unbelievers and smite their necks

            koran Sura 52:24 Male homosexual Pedophilia endorsed

            koran Sura 56:17 Male homosexual pedophilia

            koran Sura 65:4 Prescribes sex with pre pubescent girls.

            koran Sura 76:19 Male homosexual pedophilia.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            And Christians never did this??? Jesus never ordered the death of anyone??? I don’t see a whole heck of a lot of love coming from the majority of Christians I know!!! Just so you know, I disagree with the Quran as well… So don’t feel picked on…

          • jody garrett

            And what’s the point anyway? Christians today, for the most part, do not take the Bible literally and run around lopping off heads etc. We have evolved and manage most of the time to execute acceptable behavior. % of muslims are stuck on stupid and that’s too large a number of the population

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Nice copy and paste and before you get so defensive of Christians check out what is happening around the world not just in the US… And no, Christians do not lop off heads in general they bomb and shoot… Some even kniife people to death the end effect is the same…

          • jody garrett

            I’m not being defensive of Christians…I don’t have to. They are policed already, UNLIKE MOSLEMS THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOOK AROUND. And that is because Christianity is not practiced as it was in the beginning; unlike ISLAM. Koran needs to be revised; and I believe THAT is because of education. That is sorely lacking in Islamic countries.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            So basically you are admitting that the Christian bible has been revised IE changed by man to fit whatever man deems appropriate… Thank you!!!!

          • jody garrett

            Why do you want to put words in my mouth? I’m saying too many Moslems are stuck in the 7th century and since we’re dealing with SO MANY of that type revising the Koran would help. Them too–to live a better life. I’m sick of your arguing…spare me ok? It really matters not what we think anyway.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Got it, we have a difference of opinion for sure but it really was not arguing alia… And I did not put words in your mouth, I did paraphrase what you said which is a perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing. Is it our right to tell others how to live and what to believe? No, it is not and yet the US does this exact thing all over the world. We believe our way is the only way and that everyone should do things the way we do… THAT is a sad and true fact! If you don’t want to hear what I have to say there is a simple solution… Stop responding to me. My momma taught me to always answer when spoken to and I will not disrespect her.

          • jody garrett

            You see the glass half empty apparently; I see it half full. America does good things around the world…..

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Hmmm, please show me where I said Americans did not do good works… You CANNOT because I did NOT! However Americans are not the only ones that do so… I am actually, in general an optimist so usually I see a glass as more than 1/2 full… In some instances however it is obvious that more needs to be added to even reach the 1/2 way mark…

          • RockyMissouri

            But we have stupid and ignorant people who aren’t taught HISTORY…not even their own.

          • curenado

            Do you think that makes it weaker than a total fake like islam? Doesn’t. Don’t need to argue it. Watch!

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Iskitini alia… walk away in peace alia…..

          • PG

            Oh how very true

          • curenado

            Well if you want to defend them, get on the boat and go back to the holy kitty litter box with them. It’s time for them to go home anyway.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Iskitini alia… Since MY family has been here over 1700 years that we can trace before things start getting a bit fuzzy… If anyone should leave it would likely be….. you…

          • curenado

            That is either another marble mouth “original jews” lie or, my family kicked you off the farm 200 years ago. About time the rest of a decent country caught up. (Picked the wrong family. We remember the goodness and necessity of the crusades. What you say is air. Watch.)

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I am Choctaw, I am proud, I am American, I am proud!!! You, you are a piece of excrement on the bottom of my shoe…

          • Flyingfiddlers

            Again the insults from the guy who said people were insulting him. If you are a Choctaw and if Saladin had found America you would probably not exist now. The pilgrims did terrible things to the native Indians as did the Native Indians to the settlers but under Islam your ancestors would have been forced to convert or die, your great grandmothers would have been taken as slaves and abused, you would have been wiped out as a people….and all in the name of the moon god “allah”. I honestly don’t know why a Choctaw would defend a religion that would kill your people given the chance.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Actually unless I grow and additional appendage I will remain female… So I will assume you agree with ‘curenado’ that the Jews are horrible, that the Native Americans needed to be killed off… Got it!!!!! Iskitini alia, I am most definitely Choctaw! You say we would have been forced to convert or die under Islam… Alia, we were forced to convert or die by Christians, our children were removed from our homes and forced into Christian run schools, our languages were stripped from them, traditional clothing stripped from them, our family histories stripped from them… Shall I go on alia??? My grandmothers were taken as slaves as were grandfathers… They were raped, murdered and forcefully converted!!! We were pretty close to wiped out alia… Christians stole from us, lied to us, raped us, kidnapped our children and murdered us… Be honest, you know I tell the truth!!! I have not defended ANY religion alia, I have simply said that the Muslims that *I* know are not like the Muslims that you people denigrate… How something so simple is so difficult for you to understand is ….. saddening.

          • Flyingfiddlers

            Indeed the Indians were treated as you described….and did the Indians did the same against the settlers, however the settlers greater numbers made them the victors. This in no way excuses the events and the black history. My point is that the religion you are defending would have annihilated your people in the name of their god…Christians couldn’t ever justify such. BTW it is an honour for me to talk to someone from the great Choctaw people. Regards.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            You call them settlers but tell me, if someone were to come to this country today as the ‘settlers’ did what would you call them??? We simply fought for what was already ours. The settlers numbers were only greater because of diseases that the settlers brought with them. Things that the natives had never been exposed to and thus had no immunity towards. Please show me one single quote that has defended ANY religion… You will not find one because I have nor defended ANY religions… I have defended some individuals within Islam but not the religion itself, there is a HUGE difference!!!

            I always enjoy a decent and intellectual conversation… I do apologize that you do not like some of my tactics but when I have informed someone that I do not believe as they do and they insist on continuing to preach at me and as Lea did in exceptionally long postings I do get a bit frustrated…

          • Flyingfiddlers

            Judaic biblical violence happened over 2 millennia ago. Islam is still living like its 500 AD. Thats the difference. Islam doesn’t want freedom to worship, it wants to dominate, it wants to prevent anyone else from worshipping or non-worshipping, be they christian, jewish, buddist, shintoe, aetheist…and god help you if you’re a woman under islam.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Religious violence continues today… Not just Islamic based either. Buddhist are killing, Christians are killing, Muslims are killing… UGH! Religion, ALL religion has always had a basis in violence…

          • Lea

            They are all fighting muslims, therefore muslims are at the root cause of most, if not all, these conflicts. Religion is man made, and even satan has a religion, he loves religion. Try Jesus Christ and let the truth set you free.

          • Donna E Turner

            koran 47:4 Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.

            koran 2:191 Slay unbelievers wherever you find them.

            koran 22:19 Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.

            koran 8:12 Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.

            koran 9:5 When opportunity arises kill the infidels wherever you catch them.

            koran 5:33 Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam.

            koran 9:123 Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.

            koran 8:60 Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.

            koran 8:65 The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.

            koran 3:85 Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.

            koran 3:28 Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.

            koran 9:30 The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.

            Summary of Sura verses dealing with dismemberment, homosexual and heterosexual pedophilia endorsed, allah is all deceiving, allah is unforgiving even to the repentant infidel.

            koran Sura just means chapterkoran Sura 5:35 and Sura 8:12 Sura 9:5

            koran Sura 9:80 no forgiveness

            koran Sura 9:123 Murder the unbelievers around you and let them find harshness in you

            koran Sura 13:42 …Allah is all deceiving (the Bible tells us that the father of lies is Satan)

            koran Sura 47:4 Clash with the unbelievers and smite their necks

            koran Sura 52:24 Male homosexual Pedophilia endorsed

            koran Sura 56:17 Male homosexual pedophilia

            koran Sura 65:4 Prescribes sex with pre pubescent girls.

            koran Sura 76:19 Male homosexual pedophilia.

          • zippetydodah

            So, you relish in nothing but yourself. This must be that passage where GOD commanded the Isrealites to kill all, and not obeying has been a curse upon man for eons. But, in all of your (ignorant) wisdom, any of those same passages in the NEW Testament. Go ahead, I’ll wait while the crickets chirp and sing.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Matthew 3:10, 12… 5:17… 5:29-30… 7:19… 8:12… 8:32… 10:14-15… 10:21… 10:28… 10:34-36… 11:20-24… 13:41-42, 50… 15:4-7… 18:8-9… 18:23-25… 18:34… 2133-41…21:44… 22:1-14…
            23:6-15, 24, 29-30, 34… 24:37, 50-51… 25:30, 41, 46..
            Mark 4:11-12… 5:12-12… 6:11… 7:9-10… 9:43-49… 12:1-9… 14:22-24… 16:16…
            Luke 1:20… 3:9… 3:17… 8:27-37… 10:10-15… 12:5, 46-47…
            13:3, 5, 23-30… 16:19-31… 17:26-27… 29-32… 19:22-27… 22:19-20…
            John 3:14, 16, 18, 36… 5:14… 6:53-66…
            Acts 3:23… 5:1-10… 10:10-13… 11:5-10… 12:23… 13:22…
            13:34… 13:8-11
            Romans 1:31-32… 5:9, 10, 12
            1 Corinthians 3:17… 10:8, 9, 10…2 Corinthians 5L11
            Galatians 1:8-9
            Ephesians 1:4-5, 7, 11… 5:2, 6…
            1 Thessalonians 1:10…4:13…
            2 Thessalonians 1:7-9… 2:8, 11-12…
            Hebrews 6:8… 7:1… 9:13-22… 10:27, 28-29, 30, 31…
            11:17, 28, 31, 32, 35… 12:20, 22-24…
            James 2:21…
            1 Peter 1:2, 19-20… 3:20…
            2 Peter 2:5, 3-6… 3:7, 10…

            Are the crickets still chirping??? Love you insulting ways, such a Christian thing to do…..

          • t1618

            THE BIBLE…. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
            THE KORAN…. Subjugate or kill the unbelievers and apostates…..

            I rest my case….

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Really??? Do you really want me to find the cruel and nasty verses in the bible??? Come on!!!

          • S.A thomas

            Patrick,good work

          • Moe

            Patrick you have gene from few men not one few men’s gene got entangled and you were formed.

          • You must be one of those muzz slime insects yourself.

          • R Lee Urbanski

            Only muslim would defend this evil religion.

          • jody garrett

            There’s a reason some many millions are illiterate–80% of the women are. Keep em ignorant…

          • Janet Noll

            Chronic inbreeding as well. It lowers the IQ of the race.

          • Dredd

            That comment shows your minus level

          • 3/1 Marine

            No Dredd it is true. Marriage to cousins is common and allowed in Islamic countries. It leads to genetic problems.

          • RockyMissouri

            We can marry cousins in the USA… Even FIRST cousins..!!

          • curenado

            Marriage to baby cousins before they hair up and become “dogs” you mean…

          • watcherofolde

            Dredd-they have 50 GENERATIONS of inbreeding behind them. One of the many problems associated with this is ”Intermittent explosive syndrome”
            UK TELEGRAPH
            ”Professor Steve Jones, one of Britain’s most eminent scientists, has warned that the level of inbreeding among the nation’s Muslims is endangering the health of future generations. (Not to mention endangering the health of the nation’s non-Muslim populations who are subjected to Muslim rapists and murderers at unprecedented levels)
            – The geneticist said that it was common in the Islamic world for men to marry their nieces and cousins (many of them forced marriages). Prof Jones, who lectures at University College London, is likely to find himself at the centre of controversy in the wake of the comments”

          • Jakadiya

            When societies encourage gay marriages they are indirectly encouraging adopting children from the inbreeding societies. At least the inbreeding are breeding, naturally.

          • jody garrett

            Let them explain the level of ignorance and their desire to NOT advance their society.

          • jody garrett

            Do some research. Just watch some videos
            —what do you think you’re seeing when u see these people stark raving mad, screaming and out of bounds nutty? And over what?

          • lilyred

            Proven fact. Also causes physical birth defects.

          • RockyMissouri

            That used to be said of the Irish in America….directed toward other Irish, to keep them from coming to America. “That, in the US, the Irish were on a par with Native Americans and Negroes”……

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Actually there are sects of Islam that not only encourage women to be educated but almost demand it…

          • jody garrett

            That’s swell, but it does not change the numbers…

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I see Christians do the same thing in other countries, Buddhists doing the same thing in other countries Wait… Christians do it here as well, the Atlanta Olympic Park bombing was allegedly done for God/Christ, abortion clinic bombings, McVeigh, the murders of doctors who perform abortions, the Christians killing people because the THINK they are Muslims… etc… etc… etc…

            How do complete sects of non-violent/non-violence believing Muslims not change things???

          • jody garrett

            We WERE talking about something else…. Christians are not killing Muslims BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT CHRISTIANS. Killing for cause is always wrong/terrorism. And they WERE called terrorists, no?

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Actually rarely do you hear a Christian called a terrorist, you may hear the words “act of terror” but not “terrorist”… You were discussing (if you were on topic) Muslims who are fleeing due to persecution… But of course you were not on topic so why should I have been??? I simply pointed out that Christians can be as violent as Muslims. Now that said, the Christians who are killing others believe as adamantly that they are Christians doing the work of God as do moderate Christians… Just as the extremist Muslims believe they are doing the work of God… Both are mistaken….

          • jody garrett

            Christians ARE called terrorists–people on the right are now on Barry’s terror list…

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Are you trying to say that there are no Christian terrorists?? If this is what you are trying to say then you could not be more wrong!!!!!

          • jody garrett

            NOPE. IS that what I said? No. Like I said before..The numbers are miniscule.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            The numbers of Christians who are killing and have killed those who are not Christian is NOT miniscule… over 350,000,000 in less than 2000 years… This does not include ANYTHING prior to the legalization oif the Christian faith, we would have to add so much more in, the great flood and other things such as Sodom and Gomorrah and the like…..

          • RockyMissouri

            Groups, AMAZINGLY, seem to forget the struggles in their OWN HISTORY…!! They seem to overlook and/or ignore their own violence.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Indeed they do… I liken it to childbirth… As a woman we tend to forget the pain we go through in labor because if we did not we would never do it again!!!

          • Mohammed Childraper

            And these sects amount to less than 1% of muslims.

            But don’t let reality interfere with your dhimmitude.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Just your name makes you far to ignorant and disgusting to deal with on an adult level… BTW you call Mohammed a child raper did you miss the pedophilia in the bible???

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Iskitini alia… for that is what you are… I suggest you look into this fairly common occurrence call EDUCATION, IF you are capable of learning then you will discover just how nonsensical and inane you really are…..

          • RockyMissouri

            Thank you for knowing that.!!

          • johnson

            no.that’s right…you’d of course know more,wouldn’t you?

          • Lea

            She could be a traumatised violently abused raped and divorced person, this can’t be pretty in any sense of the experience.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            There are thousands upon thousands of these women here in the states that were married to good “Christian” men, good men of all religions… It happens sadly it is not just a Muslim thing.

          • YWontU

            In the west there are laws, based on christian framework, that criminalise such behaviour. Sadly, in muslim majority countries there is no recourse for women at all. And these crimes against them, are often legalised as a part of sharia law, the most evil governance system ever devised by man. The occurrence of these crimes against women are also the prevailing norm in islamic countries.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I will agree that Sharia law is disgusting… I will not agree that all Islamic sects are the same…

          • Lea

            What do you base your facts on? If they are islamic sects then they are adhering to the koran, and then they are also following mohammad as the perfect example of what a muslim should be. If they reject anything that is in the koran, sira and hadith, upon which sharia law is based, then they are in fact apostate, according to the koran.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            There are so many sects within Christianity, shoot… Even Christians cannot agree on what is or is not “Christian”….. I see Christians picking and choosing what applies to them and what does not all the time, do you think they believe they are any less Christian than you are??? No, they believe they are the ones who are correct….. Just as moderate and liberal Muslims believe that the extremists are in the wrong…..

          • Lea

            It is a common fallacy for muslims, who are under compulsion to emulate every facet of mohammad’s evil life, to think that the Bible is of the same measure. They simply cannot understand that the stories in the Bible are not injunctions. Instead the Bible requires the ability to think and reason and to understand the difference between evil and righteous holiness, and make a choice between the two. The koran however demands total acceptance as the commands of allah, as presented by mohammad.

            It is quite clear what the vast majority of christians believe, even if they happen to disagree on other issues, and you are just desperate in attempting to obfuscate that fact. It is not difficult to find out what christians believe and why. It is only sinful man that attempts to destroy the truth, with lies, just like mohammad attempted to do.

            The core beliefs of Christianity are summarized in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
            Jesus died for our sins, was buried, was resurrected, and thereby
            offers salvation to all who will receive Him in faith. Unique among all
            other faiths, Christianity is more about a relationship than religious
            practices. Instead of adhering to a list of “do’s and don’ts,” the goal
            of a Christian is to cultivate a close walk with God. That relationship
            is made possible because of the work of Jesus Christ and the ministry of
            the Holy Spirit.

            But alas, despite the very best efforts of muslims, and also the jews and atheists, to destroy the truth, even through murder and theft and deceit, the truth remains and even grows.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            It seems that you may be under the mistaken impression that I am Muslim… I am not. Now that said, the bible and Qu’ran are actually quite similar in many ways. You specifically say the Qu’ran demands total acceptance and yet so does the bible. If you do not “accept” Gid unquestionably then you will suffer the fate of his wrath and burn for eternity in a lake of fire and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth… Hmmmm

            Christians tend to believe that the old testament no longer applies to them because of Jesus and yet Jesus says several times that the old laws do still apply… You pick and choose which verses are valid and which are not, harping on such things as homosexuality and neglecting divorce and remarriage, neglecting the need for women to be subservient to their husbands, to not speak in church to not be teachers of men or in any authority over them… You says that “Christianity is more about a relationship than religious
            practices. Instead of adhering to a list of “do’s and don’ts,” the goal
            of a Christian is to cultivate a close walk with God” and yet the bible is FULL of “do’s and don’ts”…

            How sad that you do not even follow your own religion as it was meant to be followed and that you instead opt to do as you wish… At least I am honest about myself.

          • Amadaun

            Note to commenters–

            The spammer/troll operating under the likely false name of Wynema Gonzagowski regularly litters conservative web site comment sections with condescending and insulting comments of his own, generally focused on running down Christianity and Christians. He claims not to be a Muslim, which may be true, but never declares his own belief system, if any. You should call him on it.

            Commenting on or attempting to rebut Gonzo’s ridiculous, uniformly anti-Christian remarks is useless. Not only is he/she a left wing troll who leaves no insulting comments at any left-wing site; but he/she is likely a seminar troll who, given the sheer number of comments spit out at several sites, would leave little time to earn an honest living. Therefore, he/she is either on the dole, is paid (indirectly, of course) by someone like George Soros or his minions at Media Matters.

            And don’t bother accepting at face value any of Gonzo’s vast claims of scholarship. These trolls operate out of play books, and have canned answers to everything–everything except the topic of the head article. These answers are deployed to distract attention from the original topic so people interested in it will get angry and begin responding to Gonzo instead of the topic, which is how these trolls win. So call Gonzo on this, too, and demand actual answers.

            As for the “scholarship,” it’s laughable. If you believe Gonzo has read the Bible in 17 different languages, which is what Gonzo claims at one point, I have a bridge across the Hudson I’d like to sell you.

            Finally, Gonzo jumps on commentators for “insulting” him/her or condescending. But that’s exactly what Gonzo does with the condescending term he frequently employs to address certain commenters: iskitini alia. That’s likely Choctaw and could roughly be translated as “little kid” or “little boy.” Sort of like the now slightly archaic American English term, “sonny boy.”

            Gonzo also claims to be an Indian/native American himself (in addition to being a Muslim, apparently), and happily scatters clever Choctaw terms throughout his comments ad lib. But anyone can use a foreign language dictionary to accomplish an effect like this, so I wouldn’t give this claim much credibility either.

            Just thought you all would like to know before you waste any more precious time on this left wing sock puppet. Who knows what other names Gonzo operates under, or how many automatic programs he employs to uncover conservative writers and articles he can spam, all to the ultimate aim of diverting conservative commentors into the ditch of rage, which gets them off topic. Don’t be played.

            Ignore the clown. You’ll learn nothing from Gonzo.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Well, you show even more ignorance every time you post… My name is my name and since I don;t hide behind a fake name like you do I am not difficult to find. I am a FEMALE not male so SHE would be correct not HE… I do not SLAM anyone, when people state their OPINIONS I return with my own… I do not declare my belief system because I am not and will not be trying to convert anyone. As I sad I am not difficult to find, I work in the film and theatre industries AND go to school as well. I also home school my children… Please tell me how to go about getting paid for posting opinions, like anyone else in this economy I could use some extra income!!!
            Yet again you display your astounding ignorance… I never said I have read the bible in “17 languages” I said I have read 17 versions of the bible, there is a HUGE difference there. I suggest you reread things and realize the error or is it a lie…
            I have never accused anyone of being condescending to me so that also is a lie though I have said they were insulting or denigrating when they were and I freely admit that once someone becomes abusive or denigrating in their postings they become free game for having it returned to them threefold if possible. As for iskitini alia… Yes, it is Choctaw but the way in which I use it simple means “little one”…
            I am a Choctaw tribal member and I am proud of it, I am not a Muslim… Again I am a woman… But I have told you this before and you still insist on lying! I am a Chahta ohoyo of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma…
            Your quite the entertaining prevaricator… Ah yes, this is the ONLY name I ever post under because unlike you I have the convition on what I am saying to actually be who I am in my postings instead of hiding like a coward behind a fake name… Each and every article I select to respond to is hand chosen by me and every single posting I make is hand written by me… (The parts of your posting I did not respond to, well… They were just worthless and not worthy of any response_.
            I have an idea, instead of being a nonsensical and inane ignoramus (yes, you will consider these insults, but reality is still reality even if it insults you!!!) why don’t you try carrying on a respectful conversation. I always attempt to stay civil with people who do the same… You have yet to earn any respect!

          • Amadaun

            Keep on lying, iskitini alia. Your “simple meaning” is intended as condescension, so you can stop that little game. I will keep on informing our readers that you’re a left-wing troll, which is what you are. So keep on dishing out your sound and fury. We’re wise to the game. It’s betrayed by your constant name-calling. Keep it up. We recognize you for who you are. In the meantime, our authors will keep writing articles like this one, based on truth, not on the kind of falsehoods and misrepresentations you continue to post. Go find another site to spam. (Oh, wait, you spam several. None of them leftist. Hmmm….)

          • jody garrett

            Of course they’re not and there in lies a problem. Since we’re up against such evil, how do we find them? Hiding in these mosques. Moderates don’t point them out…

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I don’t know how to find them any more than I know how to find Christians or Buddhists or anyone else who is intent on harming/killing someone else…

          • making_pie

            Shutup mentalcase.

          • 3/1 Marine

            And you do have that right??

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            she does as much as you do…

          • 3/1 Marine

            Wynema G.-Since you clearly don’t know what you are talking about let me bring you up to speed. “Nadia” was questioning someone’s credibility when that person had actually lived for years among Muslims and knew of their miss-treatment of non-Muslims from first hand experience.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Actually alia I read every post in a thread so I know exactly what I am talking about… AND Nadia has as much of a right to her own opinion as you do to yours and that is ALL i stated on that particular subject. You are quite the condescending ignoramus aren’t you…

          • jody garrett

            Hell, all U have to do is watch some videos of that behavior–it’s everywhere. And out of control….

          • Erin Ahmed

            I never claimed to be an expert, but rather an eyewitness. In just one month in the Middle East, my life was openly threatened three times and for what?? Just because I was not a muslim. I had not insulted anyone, I had not said anything, I was just walking down the street and obviously foreign and not muslim and that was reason enough. I also witnessed unspeakable acts of cruelty, I comforted women who had suffered horrible abuse at the hands of men that were supposed to love them, I saw children mistreated and I experienced that mistreatment myself. Were these acts commited by extremist muslims? Oh hell no, they were not extremists according to our current definition of extremism, this was just everyday life in a culture that foments violence and hate. So if anyone is “advocating for a ticket to hell” it is those who defend this ideology.

          • jody garrett

            You have issues….

          • t1618

            I have the same advice for you, Nadia, as I have given to Rocky.
            Read the koran and the hadiths ! Don’t be lazy ! if you are going to take a side in an argument, don’t go into the battle unarmed !

          • Christian Knight

            Too True… If only people would do some research on Islam, read the Quran and Muhammad’s life story.. then they might learn the real truth about Islam and its ways..

          • Anne Mallin

            Christian K,
            Yes it does say that and like God said in the old Testament to kill and to take and do all weird things… you need to go to a Bible school, Christian one.
            I did and believe me, the professors told us how God was thinking and how he got sad — yes– he wanted to remake man– hence the flood !1
            You should go to David Lipscomb college or a good Theology school.
            After you graduate, Love is still the highest commandment and God said,” Let revenge be mine.”
            It’s not OUR Job to hate.
            It’s so easy that people who say they are Xians shock the world because of their HATE .
            Trust me. Read and know and study God then read the words of Jesus all based on the old testament.
            Pray for your mind and heart to get further into the Truth of all this because the truth will set you free.
            I would never go and live in another non -Christian nation but see… that is what America is for .. it’s for US.
            This is the land God gave us. So we shouldn’t be poking our nose all over tarnation and the world looking to drag people in to a ‘democracy’.
            Let them see violence, anger, wars and rumors of wars.
            Then they WILL see JESUS those who of us who exhibit love.
            God give you peace through Jesus our Lord and Savior.
            I will pray for you brother.
            No one who is violent or mean is meant to be our friend. But if one does see Christ in us it will be Christ they will go to through our love.

          • Lea

            What you can’t seem to figure out is that there is a massive difference between the Bible and koran and Jesus and Mohammad. Until you do you are simply a threat to our security.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Iskitini alia… She has as much of a right to her opinion and beliefs as you do… Are you a threat? If you are a radical then yes… If not it is unlikely.

          • YWontU

            Her opinion is based on faulty information. All she has to do is compare mo and Jesus to find the true facts.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            True facts based upon your beliefs just as hers are based on her own beliefs.

          • Lea

            Her opinions are based on faulty reasoning and information, the facts prove this. She diverts to Christianity because that is what she is familiar with, but no doubt, she has absolutely no clue what islam is about, or that it is 100% bad for kafirs.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I YOUR opinion her opinions are based on faulty reasoning, I am sure she feels the same way about your opinions…..

          • jody garrett

            Way too many Muslims take the Koran literally. Beyond obvious.

          • johnson

            umm…that’s the ‘Old Testament’ you’re talking about..’we’ updated ours..’we’ got with the times..’we’ moved on…they didn’t..

          • Janet Noll

            Jesus came to change everything and he did.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Yep, Christians use him to pick and choose which sections of the bible to live by…

          • YWontU

            Christians are set free from the law and live under the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, just as the Gospels of Christ teach. The Torah serves only as the prophetic base for Jesus and his fulfillment of the law, and also details the sacrificial system that YHWH demanded for the atonement of sins which was culminated on the cross.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Why would only the Christians be set free from the laws??? Come on now…

          • Lea

            Romans 8:2

            2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            “set you free from the law of sin and death” YAY!!! This means I get to live forever, I will never die… I always wanted to be immortal!!!

          • Lea

            1 John 5:
            9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for
            the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son.
            10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. 11And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.…

            This means that mohammad is a liar.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Interesting… Does it? Mohammad, saying he had visions given to him by God wrote a book, people chose to follow it… With the bible it is the same thing… Men (hmmm ONLY men, no women) had visions given to them by God and they wrote them down…

            Have I preached my beliefs to you??? Do I insist that you need to hear what my deity/s state??? Do I try and convert you??? No, I do not… I do not because it is not my place to tell you that you are wrong for your choices in your life and yet I am constantly told by Christians (no I am not saying you in particular) that if I do not repent, if I do not accept God into my life that I will forever suffer burning in a lake of fire or some other nasty thing like that… Tell me this alia… WHY would I want to even consider belonging to a religion where the deity threatens, cajoles, blackmails, bullies and other such things in an attempt to gain followers… I would much rather keep to my own beliefs…..

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            So basically you pick and choose which sections of the bible apply to you… Got it!

          • Lea

            The Bible is not used in the same way by christians, in which muslims use their koran. The koran consists of injunctions, therefore it is a book of demands on the muslims, 64% of the koran is devoted to telling muslims how to mistreat kafirs. The Bible comprises many historical events out of which we take wisdom. Christians adhere to the New Testament, but without the Old Testament one would never understand the sacrificial requirement for atonement of sin, and miss the point of the crucifixion of Christ. Furthermore, the Old Testament prophecies of Christ, proving him to be whom he said he is.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Lea… Even the “New Testament” has large amounts of hatred, violence, cruelty etc…

          • Lea

            Prove that there are teachings in the New Testament that amount to inciting hatred, violence and cruelty.

          • dj

            You are starting to understand … christianity = non-earthly kingdom where you have the freedom to obey or not, Islam = earthly kingdom where you obey or die

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            And yet if you do not follow THIS version of God the results are “burning for eternity in a lake of fire” Both religions have their serious issues… No, I am not condoning Islamist extremists but there are extremists in all religions such as the Christians in CAR and surrounding countries and the Buddhists in India and surrounding countries….. Religion is violent at its base…

          • YWontU

            Amen!

          • Janet Noll

            Yeah , I have, its ways are violence and evil.

          • Lea

            Mohammad declared war on the kaffurs. Muslims believe that because mohammad said so, muslims should rule the world.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            The same could be said of the bible which actually has more cruel and violent verses than the Quran.

          • YWontU

            You are spewing out misinformation off the top of your muslim head. The Bible tells a story of events that occurred in history, it describes how evil people are. Whereas the majority of the very small koran, less pages than the New Testament, is based on fighting the kaffurs and taking over the world.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            over 1,200 cruel and violent bible verses and just over 600 in the Quran… R=That is verifiable…

          • Lea

            The koran is smaller than the New Testament and “revealed” over a period of 23 years. Islamic doctrine includes the sira and hadith. Please do take that into consideration since the last 9 years of mohammad’s life comprises of an average of a violent event every six weeks.

            Based on the sword-verses as well as countless other Koranic verses
            and oral traditions attributed to Muhammad, Islam’s learned officials,
            sheikhs, muftis, and imams throughout the ages have all reached
            consensus—binding on the entire Muslim community—that Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until the former subsumes the latter. Indeed, it is widely held by Muslim scholars that since the sword-verses are among the final revelations on the topic of Islam’s relationship to non-Muslims, that they alone have abrogated some 200 of the Koran’s earlier and more tolerant verses, such as “no compulsion is there in religion.”

            Famous Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406) admired in the West for his “progressive” insights, also puts to rest the notion that jihad is
            defensive warfare: In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a
            religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and
            the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force … The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense … They are merely required to establish their
            religion among their own people. That is why the Israelites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g., a
            caliphate]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not
            spread it to the nations] … But Islam is under obligation to gain power
            over other nations.
            Ibn Khaldun, The Muqudimmah: An Introduction to History, Franz Rosenthal, trans. (New York: Pantheon, 1958,) vol. 1, p. 473.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            You do realize that there is many things in this that are not correct right???

          • Lea

            The only authority in islam is mohammad, and his life story consists of 67% violence. He killed everyone who disagreed with him, when he died his last words were to instruct his muslims to make sure there were no christians or jews in arabia. Islam only became successful when mohammad became political and started raiding caravans, taking sex slaves and wholesaling and retailing in slaves, taking hostages for ransom, raped women. Political islam has the expressed mission of inciting its muslims to wage jihad until the world is for allah alone. This is not a religion. Religion is merely a veneer, a very small part of islam.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Yes alia… I am discovering that even when presented with undeniable facts that you refuse to accept even the possibility of things being even minimally different than your own personal beliefs… I know many moderate and liberal Muslims, their daughters and wives dress exactly like us, they go to school, to college, some are doctors and teachers… NONE have been violent and ALL of them publicly denounce the extremists within their religion… I rarely see a Christian denounce the cruelties and deaths caused by Christianity… Something funny, every single thing you mentioned as being Muslim also happened within Christianity, in the bible or by physical action… Again I say, as I have said before… Religions in general are rotted in violence and ego-centric beliefs… ONLY their religion is correct, only their religion is right etc…..

          • No Quarter

            Will you ever shut up and go away????? Just wondering

          • Lea

            Why should I? Perhaps you should go to an islamic utopia of your choice and learn how to shut up there. You can even report people like me for blasphemy and have me murdered. Now that might make you feel happy.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            1. I am not Muslim which I have already stated several times in postings on this article…
            2. The bible encourages genocide in several spots…
            3. There are over 1,200 verifiable violent and/or cruel verses in the bible and over 600 in the Quran…
            4. Religion is generally violence based
            5. I have not stated a single falsehood, I did make one mistake in numbers that I have since corrected but nowhere have a been “spewing out misinformation”

            Since it is obvious that you prefer lies and insults over intelligent and educated discourse it is likely time for us to part ways…

            Have a lovely life iskitini alia…. walk in peace.

          • Lea

            1. If you are not a muslim, you could have fooled me.
            2. Where does the Bible encourage genocide?
            3. The ancient constitution for Israel was applicable at a certain time, place and people. It did not and has not extended past that period. Only a grossly biased person would make such an interpretation in defiance of historical facts and present reality. The Bible is vastly more comprehensive and larger than the koran, having been written over a period of 1600 years. The majority of those violent/cruel verses are descriptive, like in a novel, and not prescriptive, we all know that.

            The koran only represents 14% of islamic doctrine, the hadith and sira, being equally ascribed to by muslims, the life of mohammad, whom the koran states is the perfect man and must be emulated by muslims, his sunna contains 67% violence against kafirs.

            4. You won’t find any encouragement towards violence in the New Testament.

            5. The statements you make regarding the Bible being more violent and cruel than the koran is patently false.

          • Phil D

            Yet you still retain the name “Ahmed”?

          • Erin Ahmed

            Only because I have no desire to go through the trouble and cost of changing it back. It’s not worth the hassle.

          • Nadia

            This is the issue that I am talking about. She keeps an Arabic name that is rightly her EX husbands(who is Muslim) and yet want speaks badly about us. I do believe it does not cost that much to change your name to your original family blood name.

          • Phil D

            No sympathy from me here.
            I consider islam to be simply put “satanic”.

          • Nadia

            Muslims do not expect sympathy from you

          • Phil D

            That’s good since there is nothing in that slavers faith to be sympathetic for.

          • Nadia

            You know I would concetrate a lot less on critising Islam and critisize yourself, because do you have criteria if you are the one satanic?I would focus doing what good deeds need to be done for the Heavon.To many people want to critisize and not worry about themselves and may miss out on chance for the Hereafter

          • Phil D

            I have only to look at the pigsty muslim world.

          • Nadia

            Pigsy? See now you are soo blind right now that you dont even know that you are disrespecting me as well as yourself.

          • Phil D

            Really, do explain.

            And while you are doing that, do explain the taliban, do explain “Boko Haram”, do explain purdah, do explain fmg, do explain the apostasy laws, do explain ‘I divorce thee’ times 3, do explain the slavers verses in your devil’s handbook, aka the koran (used as “theological” underpinnings for the action of the muslim “grooming gangs”), do explain your falsified history, do explain the “blood-tax”, do explain your segregated societies, do explain ISIS, do explain dar al-harb, do explain taqiyya, do explain the muslim rape culture in the western countries, do explain the “burqa”, do explain “dhimmi” and so on and so on.

            You know what makes me particularly angry at the moment? The muslim “grooming gangs”. Adolescents do stupid things. A normal society protects them against themselves (and no, that doesn’t mean that females are to be put in a burqa or niqab or whatever slave clothing, or have their throats slit), but when there is an islamic minority involved than that protection fails because islam lacks any basic decency. Muslim pigsty world? It’s almost a compliment.

            And now goodbye. I hope you may escape your satanic “faith” one day and join the human race.

          • Nadia

            SEriously? Boko HAram are not real Muslims. I dont care to discuss much with you because you dont know how to carry out a respectful dialogoe. You dont even need school to teach you respect

          • Nadia

            You are speaking so much that you are not tlaking about anything.And dear I am sorry that you are upset dont have a heart attack. It is not my issue that you cant sleep at night becasue its so bothering you. You only hurt yourself

          • Nadia

            Learn to respect yourself

          • Phil D

            Thought so, no facts at all, just some blather.

          • Nadia

            but you are not talking about anything

          • Nadia

            InIn general there are two groups of people that dont mesh regardless of what your faith is, that is the internal conflicts(misguided bad Muslim for example) and people like you. You two are in the same category.

          • Nadia

            I feel like I am always repeating myself but every Muslim is not the same. Secondly your waste dont smell like roses so focus on yourself instead of critising us on soemthing which you are not 100 percent accurate even if you think you might know

          • Phil D

            You are repeating yourself because you have to repeat the same lies over and over again. You serve the father of lies after all.

            Anyway, if all those muslims who aren’t “real” muslims are counted out then there can’t be all that many muslims. Why, your pedophile robber prophet, Mahmout (I would almost say, may he rot in hell, but I’m still to christian for that) can’t have been a muslim then.
            If you pretend that those muslim filth aren’t “real” muslims, well stop them.
            When are “real” muslims going to put an end to the apostasy laws in the seemingly not “real” muslim countries? Are they sissies, worshiping a sissie “god”?
            Were, for instance, were you when those tens of thousands of children were raped in the UK by, it’s a laugh, not “real” muslims?

          • making_pie

            You Moslems ALL worship the same evil Queeran. And your Satan-worshipping monkey-shyte stinks more than any other on the planet. Yet……a turd like you, is talking about roses. lol.

          • notislam

            spell-check is available —- but you the “plant” gets paid for all the responses

          • Lea

            Anyone who believes anything the false prophet of arabia said or did is the example of a moral and perfect man, has absolutely no respect for themselves.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            I could say so many of the same exact things about the bible and Christianity… Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

          • Phil D

            Well, do say so then and show your idiocy.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Your ignorance about the book you seem to revere so much is sad and disturbing… The bible is full of violence, cruelty, “pedophilia”, genocide, hatred….. Do you really need me to quote things you should already know??? How sad that you cannot be honest even with yourself…

          • Phil D

            “you seem to revere”
            A clairvoyant aren’t you? Were exactly did you see that reverence?

            As for the bible being full of ” violence, cruelty, “pedophilia”, genocide, hatred”, well history is full of ” violence, cruelty, “pedophilia”, genocide, hatred”. The atheists regimes have been wonderful in adding to that (*).

            But where is it said that the Bible prescribes these things? Missed the New Testament haven’t you?

            And another thing, troll. you haven’t answered the question. To wit;
            “And while you are doing that, do explain the taliban, do explain “Boko Haram”, do explain purdah, do explain fmg, do explain the apostasy laws, do explain ‘I divorce thee’ times 3, do explain the slavers verses in your devil’s handbook, aka the koran (used as “theological” underpinnings for the action of the muslim “grooming gangs”), do explain your falsified history, do explain the “blood-tax”, do explain your segregated societies, do explain ISIS, do explain dar al-harb, do explain taqiyya, do explain the muslim rape culture in the western countries, do explain the “burqa”, do explain “dhimmi” and so on and so on.”

            Where are your counter examples. Can’t stay with the subject, can you, troll?

            But with all your posing I did notice that you didn’t bother to say anything against the abuses. So I will do a bit of clairvoyance myself and call you a projecting pervert.
            As for the rest, goodbye, poseur.

            (*) As a recent example I give you overwhelmingly atheistic/agnostic UK and their accepting of the massive child rape done by the grooming gangs.

          • making_pie

            Really, Satan-monkey?

          • notislam

            Please leave — Pigs are intelligent and to be compared to a muslim puts them in the wrong category , . Sub-human is more of the correct comparison when talking about the disgusting -filth of islam.

          • Lea

            Islam deserves to be critisised, fully and complete and where we need to begin with the dialogue is with the prophet of islam himself, right there, that is when islam is exposed for the pagan death cult that it truly is.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Oh yes, they were the ONLY slavers… UG!

          • Phil D

            No, stupid one, they weren’t the only slavers.

          • RockyMissouri

            Well said!

          • R Lee Urbanski

            Erin telling the truth about what she witnessed with her own eyes is not speaking bad about you. Maybe you should rethink your belief’s.That’s the problem with Muslims they don’t like anybody to tell the truth about Islam.

          • Infidel

            Did you maybe think that instead her children have that last name and it is for their benefit that she keeps using it. A name does not make you scum, being muslim does that enough. How about instead of worrying about her name you focus on how to separate the islam ice religion from the terrorist out there. Not one islam has said that the terrorist in the world do not represent the culture and the religion of Islam. If you compare it to the Christains they at least separate themselves from others of their religion that defame and bring wrong doing upon their selves.

          • Sherry Mitchell

            Yes it does. You don’t know her circumstances. If it costs hundreds of dollars on top of notifying everyone IE: filling out paper work, standing in lines for your SS card, drivers lic, medical cards etc…why bother, it’s just a name, that money is better spent on living expenses.

          • making_pie

            Um, SO WHAT?? You dumb sandmonkey heathen.

          • Jonathan Paul Legacy

            actually no! it has extremely high cost to change your name. you need to get ALL new ID, credit cards, bank info has to be redone government has to be paid as well if you want to change your name. all in all you are looking at close to $1500+ to have all the changes done and your whole life moved to your new name. Not only that but it takes weeks if not months sometimes, to get it finalized…

          • Sue

            Actually, it is extremely expensive to change your last name. That’s why most women who are divorced keep the last name they are stuck with.

          • Erin Ahmed

            Only because it is not worth the time, expense and trouble to change it back.

          • Phil D

            Strange, that was a remark from several days ago. Has there been a reset?

          • Sherry Mitchell

            Only women know just how much it costs to go back to our maiden names…I’m glad you’re free now 🙂

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Actually you could have done it for free in the divorce just by requesting it… It is also not at all expensive nor is it complicated…

          • Sherry Mitchell

            oh Im sorry, were you there in the court room when I was? No I don’t think so, and 25 yrs ago it was going to cost me almost $500 and the hours of waiting in line and the cost to change my lic,SS card, health insurance , mortgage and that insurance, my car and that insurance. When I got married it took me 4 hrs waiting for my turn just at the SS office…yeah, I had no desire to spend that much time to change a name….although NOT the point at all…the point was, So what if the original poster didn’t change her name MAYBE she couldn’t afford to replace all her ID’s and everything else, maybe it isn’t anyone’s business why she didn’t change her name

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Got yourself into a bit of a snit there eh??? That’s alright 🙂 BTW SS card costs nothing for a name change 🙂 Neither does changing your name on health insurance, mortgages, mortgage insurance, auto insurance etc… AND the cool thing, 75%+ of these can be done online with no waiting in lines… I am not the one that gave a hoot whether she changed her name or not all I did was say that it is easy to do TODAY… You might not want to get so excited about something so simple…

          • Sherry Mitchell

            try reading the whole comment sweetie..I also said Time involved. I didn’t and don’t have a job that gives me the luxury of spending hours waiting in lines for SS or drivers lic. Doing anything on line was not an opinion when I went through it. and no I’m not in a snit as much as you may wish to rile someone up, it won’t be me. You’re just some poor faceless soul online..nothing more.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            You might try not being a condescending ignoramus….. It makes anything you have to say seem ugly and ignorant…Reading and comprehension is not your strong suit is it??? I wasn’t even the one that commented on her changing her name… I simply stated to you YOU when you stated that it was hard to go back to a maiden name… I said
            “Actually you could have done it for free in the divorce just by requesting it… It is also not at all expensive nor is it complicated…” I did not insult you, put you down or treat you badly in any way and yet you determine that being condescending to me is the proper course of action… Interesting….. Now as for the maiden name… I was divorced 30 years ago next year and I requested my maiden name back… I mailed the SS Office for a change of name and received my new card in about a month and it took a couple hours to get my D/L changed… No big deal and it all cost under $10.00… hmmmmm

          • Amadaun

            Note to commenters–

            The spammer/troll operating under the likely false name of Wynema Gonzagowski regularly litters conservative web site comment sections with condescending and insulting comments of his own generally focused on running down Christianity. He claims not to be a Muslim, which may be true, but never declares his own belief system, if any. You should call him on it.

            Commenting on or attempting to rebut Gonzo’s ridiculous, uniformly anti-Christian remarks is useless. Not only is he/she a left wing troll who leaves no insulting comments at any left-wing site; but he/she is likely a seminar troll who, given the sheer number of comments spit out at several sites, would leave little time to earn an honest living. Therefore, he/she is either on the dole, is paid (indirectly, of course) by someone like George Soros or his minions at Media Matters.

            And don’t bother accepting at face value any of Gonzo’s vast claims of scholarship. These trolls operate out of play books, and have canned answers to everything–everything except the topic of the head article. These answers are deployed to distract attention from the original topic so people interested in it will get angry and begin responding to Gonzo instead of the topic, which is how these trolls win. So call Gonzo on this, too, and demand actual answers.

            As for the “scholarship,” it’s laughable. If you believe Gonzo has read the Bible in 17 different languages, which is what Gonzo claims at one point, I have a bridge across the Hudson I’d like to sell you.

            Finally, Gonzo jumps on commentators for “insulting” him/her or condescending. But that’s exactly what Gonzo does with the condescending term he frequently employs to address certain commenters: iskitini alia. That’s likely Choctaw and could roughly be translated as “little kid” or “little boy.” Sort of like the now slightly archaic American English term, “sonny boy.”

            Gonzo claims to be an Indian/native American himself, and happily scatters clever Choctaw terms throughout his comments ad lib. But anyone can use a foreign language dictionary to accomplish an effect like this, so I wouldn’t give this claim much credibility either.

            Just thought you all would like to know before you waste any more precious time on this left wing sock puppet. Who knows what other names Gonzo operates under, or how many automatic programs he employs to uncover conservative writers and articles he can spam, all to the ultimate aim of diverting conservative commentors into the ditch of rage, which gets them off topic. Don’t be played.

            Ignore the clown. You’ll learn nothing from Gonzo.

          • Sherry Mitchell

            I had a different experience when changing my last name. Had to change them all in person and while I agree the cost wasn’t a big deal the 100’s lost waiting in lines was not something everyone can just absorb. On my condescending tone….just about anything not followed with a smiley can be taken wrong…your comments included. 🙂

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            When referring to the condescending tone I was talking about “try reading the whole comment sweetie” as well as “as much as you may wish to rile someone up, it won’t be me.” and ” You’re just some poor faceless soul online..nothing more.”

            Agreed but even the smiley face can seem condescending depending on the text preceding it….. My point was that if someone really wants to change their name after a divorce they have options such as I mentioned… If they don’t want to do them all at one time they could do the most important being ID then the others over a month or so….

          • Sherry Mitchell

            Oh and in case you ever need to, you can’t change your name on your SS card online. So yes one would have to wait the hours it takes to be waited on.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Hmmm did I say SS online? Ummm no….. That can be done by mail though as I did it 30 years ago….. If you check online you will see that it can be done through mail as well… So why would you ever need to wait hours???

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            A name change is a simple and actually quite inexpensive thing to do…

          • Erin Ahmed

            Ummm… no, it isn’t. You have to deal with every single item of identification you have, not to mention how it seems to confuse the hell out of IRS and you have endless phone calls and letters back and forth to explain it to them. You have to pay to get all new identification issued and some of them are not cheap, like a passport for instance. There is social security, drivers license, credit cards, bank accounts, passports, and many other things you wouldn’t even think of like frequent flyer accounts, work ID cards, etc. So no, it is definitely NOT simple or inexpensive.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Social Security costs nothing, credit cards cost nothing, bank accounts cost nothing… The only costs you have is drivers license which should be between 15.00 and 30.00 depending on where you live and passport which is between 100.00 and 125.00 other than that just about everything else is free except for possibly sending a copy of the name change paperwork which might cost a buck a sheet to send IF you don’t have a fax/printer at home. And then your time… If you want the change of name then you do what needs to be done. But it is NOT very expensive a max of 200.00 and that is over estimating…

          • Erin Ahmed

            It is time and money I don’t want to spend and frustration that I don’t need either. If you have never had to change your name then you really have no idea how much is actually involved and the myriad of things that can happen. It’s is simply not worth it. I could care less if my last name was Gupenschmackendoo I still wouldn’t subject myself to the hassle and expense of changing my name again.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Erin all I have said was that if someone wanted to do so that it was not that difficult nor that expensive… Why you have become so defensive I have no idea, I was not even talking to you in that particular post. And just an FYI I did change my name after my divorce of course it was because I had no desire to keep the name of a man that beat me, raped me and tied me down for others to rape… Like I said… IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CHANGE THEIR NAME IT IS NOT THAT FREAKING HARD!!! I NEVER said anyone HAD to so get off your high horse and and stop being so dang defensive!!!

          • Nick

            Thank God that the Irish have not fallen so far that they fail to resist the work of Dhimmi. Too many “moderns” are too sophisticated to believe themselves in Religion, and fail to believe that maybe Islam actually means what it says.

            I hope they all leave.

          • Escapade

            Although Ireland has had its share of “troubles” which, in turn, incited many acts of violence, the country will not tolerate a government or way of life that continues to perpetuate violence in the name of God — or Allah. Oh, but wait: You’re right about the modern element believing themselves exempt from such quaint traditions as having a belief in God….

            We need only look at the propaganda many university professors are spouting to their naive student audiences. This leads me to believe there is no shortage of stupid people on this planet, and many of them can be found in so-called institutions of “higher education”

          • Nadia

            I am so sorry that your view of a Muslim is a bad one.I can not stress it enough , do not say all Muslims are bad just because one bad apple.You were married to one and took his name i am guessing. That was your bad experience. And your experience does not makee it a fact,You lived in that culutre but you still dont know anything about Islam.You as well as the bad muslims only view that” there are 109 verses in the unholy koran commanding violence against’infidels’. What you saw or heard is not Islam.It is the same when I hear some people WHO ARE CHRISTIANS go on a killing spreee in american high schools or whatever the place is, and say that God spoke to them to kill the evil people. But do you see me writing this and that and telling people that Christianity is a bad religion,? Please think about what you say before you say things like this.If its not one problem with the bad Muslim then it is another with someone like you adding fuel to the fire.Also another thing I still dont understand is if you think Muslims are so bad why are you jumping to marry them anyway?Hello, do you not know they are Muslims?Your error,dear

          • wri7913

            Christianity does not tell people to kill unbelievers and forsake them as friends.

            The Koran does just that. It instructs believers to convert unbelievers or kill them.

          • Nadia

            Dear let me stop you right now because you are not telling the truth.I am Muslim and I know that you are not calling me violent. I think you are just mad because you ex husband who was a bad Muslim treated you bad and you are taking it out on everyone else.

          • Erin Ahmed

            No Nadia, I’m not “just mad” nor am I not telling the truth. I spent eight years living with muslims, I saw what the truth is and it is not pretty. No, not all muslims are violent but neither are they openly condemning the gruesome acts of violence that are being committed and by not doing so it makes them complicit. If I saw Christians doing the things that are being done now by muslims and if Christians taught that killing in the name of God was an honorable thing I would not only denounce them but I would denounce my faith as well. I would never serve a god that condones the violence that is being committed in his name right now. If you don’t believe in what they are doing, then say something or leave that faith, but calling someone a liar because you don’t like the truth isn’t going to fix anything.

          • Gary Honeycutt

            Rocky, while the killing of innocents may be forbidden, the koran makes it hard to be an innocent ! Infidels are not innocents to them.

          • kbs55

            On September 11, 2001 I learned all I needed to know about the death cult called islam and all muslims are liars, criminals, cowards and terrorists, since it is the basis of their cult

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            So would you say the same if you were shown atrocities committed by other religions in the last 25 to 50 years???

          • YWontU

            Islam has been waging war on humanity, and in particular on muslims, for the past 1400 years already. Islam is the only cult that sanctions murder and torture for the sake of its allah. Mohammad was a terrorist and that is why most terrorists are muslims.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Christianity also sanctioned murder for the sake of God… Do you not think that the over 350,000,000 people killed by Christians in the name of God since the mid-300’s AD likely believed that those Christians were terrorists???

          • Lea

            Christianity does not sanction murder for the sake of God. Jesus never gave directives to his followers to wage war on the rest of humanity like mohammad did. Violent christians are acting in defiance of Jesus, whilst muslims are only obeying their prophet and allah when they wage jihad.

            Please cite your references.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            You want references??? Alright but please remember that you asked for them….. This may take several posts to put it all up… Please keep in mind what I am sharing with you here is barely scratching the surface, there are so very many more things that could be shared but I believe I will make my point with the ones I have chosen…..

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            1. Christianity was legalized in around 315 AD after it was made legal Pagan temples were destroyed and many Pagan Priests were murdered by Christian mobs…..
            2. Between 315 AD and the 6th century literally thousands of Pagans were killed by Christians…..
            3. In 356 AD Pagan services became punishable by death by Christian decree…..
            4. Between 408 AD and 450 AD Christian Emperor Theodosius had children executed for playing with the remains of destroyed Pagan statues…..
            5. In the 6th Century AD Pagans were declared void of all rights by the Christian church/governments…..
            6. In the early 4th century AD philosopher Sopatros was declared a heretic and executed on the demand of Christians authorities…..
            7. In 415 AD the famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter inside a church…..
            8. In 782 AD Emperor Karl (Charlemange) had 4500 Saxons BEHEADED because they refused to convert to Christianity…..
            9. On 5/27/1234 between 5,000 and 11,000 German peasants, men, women and children were murdered because they didn’t want to pay
            massive Christian church taxes…..
            10. During the Christian initiated Battle of Belgrad in 1456 AD the church slaughtered 80,000 Turkish people…..
            11. In 15th Century Poland 1019 churches and 17987 villages were plundered by “Knights of the Order” leaving death and destruction behind them in the name of God and the church…..

            12. In the 16th and 17th century in Ireland, English troops under orders of the church “pacified and civilized” Ireland under the statement that only Gaelic “wild Irish unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing.” One of the soldiers ‘Humphrey Gilbert’, the half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh actually gave the order that “the heddes of all those, of what sort soever thei were which are killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies… and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie” he also stated that it was to be done in order to cause “grete terror to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and friends on the grounde”. Literally tens of thousands of the Gaelic Irish population died in the religious incited carnage…..

          • Lea

            “350,000,000 people killed by Christians in the name of God since the mid-300’s AD”

            Provide the reference to prove this statement please.

          • Lea

            And once again, Jesus Christ and the New Testament does not sanction or invite murder as a means to spread the message of salvation to humanity. Yet, mohammad did exactly this, he murdered anyone who disagreed with him, and he stated that his allah hates kaffirs, the non muslims, and states very clearly they must convert or die.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Do I really need to quote the verses of the NT again??? Come on!!! If you have really read the bible you know as well as I do that even in the NT their are multiple killings in the name of God!!!!!

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            14. During the first Crusade in 1095 under the command of Pope Urban II the following happened
            a) 9/9/1096 through 9/26/1096 an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 people were murdered in the name of God and Christianity…..
            b) 9/24/1096 thousands of non-Christians were slain in Semlin Hungary by the church…..
            c) 6/12/1096 thousands of non-Christians were slain by the church…..
            d) Up until 1098 40 capital cities and 200 castles were conquered and destroyed number slain, unknown but though to be tens of thousands…..
            e) 6/3/1098 Antiochia was conquered by the Crusaders 10,000 slain of non-Christians slaughtered…..
            f) 6/28/1098 60,000 men, women and children slaughtered in the name of God and Christianity… In this one a “Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres stated that during this slaughter the Christians “did no other harm to the women found in the enemies tents – save that they ran their lances through their bellies”…..
            g) 12/11/1098 at Marra (Maraat an-numan) thousands died because of the destruction of ther crops by the Christian advancing forces… ALSO according to chronicler Albert Aquensis these peaceful and loving Christians decided that since there was no more food they would eat the people they had murdered IE” the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians”…..
            h) 7/15/1099 The Crusaders conquered Jerusalem and during the process killed more than 60.000 Jewish and Muslim mean, women and
            children….. In the words of one alleged witness “there [in front of Solomon’s temple] was such a carnage that our people (the Christians) were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes”, he
            also said that after the fall of Jerusalem that the Christians were “happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour’s tomb, to humour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude”….. The
            Archbishop of Tyre, an eye-witness wrote “It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain.” He added “It was not alone the spectacle of HEADLESS bodies and MUTILATED limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themsleves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them”. It was also reported that “within the major temple enclosure alone that about 10,000 “infidels (non-Christians) perished” Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that “even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition”
            i) 8/12/1099 during the battle of Askalon over 200,000 “heathens” were slaughtered and I quote “in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ”
            j) ALL told the FIRST Crusade took the lives of over 1,000,000 men, women, children and infants all in the name of God and Christianity…..

            I am only up to 1099 AD, do you really want me to continue????? I have not gotten into what happened in the other SIX Crusades *that I know of) or to “heretics”, “witches”, “Jews”, in the other “Religious Wars”, Native Americans and others….. I have not gotten into the more recent atrocities committed in the name of God and Christianity, you know things like:

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            1. During the first Crusade in 1095 under the command of Pope Urban II the following happened
            2. 9/9/1096 through 9/26/1096 an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 people were murdered in the name of God and Christianity…..
            3. 9/24/1096 thousands of non-Christians were slain in Semlin Hungary by the church…..
            4. 6/12/1096 thousands of non-Christians were slain by the church…..
            5. Up until 1098 40 capital cities and 200 castles were conquered and destroyed number slain, unknown but though to be tens of thousands…..
            6. 6/3/1098 Antiochia was conquered by the Crusaders 10,000 slain of non-Christians slaughtered…..
            7. 6/28/1098 60,000 men, women and children slaughtered in the name of God and Christianity… In this one a “Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres stated that during this slaughter the Christians
            “did no other harm to the women found in the enemies tents – save that they ran their lances through their bellies”…..
            8. 12/11/1098 at Marra (Maraat an-numan) thousands died because of the destruction of their crops by the Christian advancing forces…
            ALSO according to chronicler Albert Aquensis these peaceful and loving Christians decided that since there was no more food they would eat the people they had murdered IE” the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians”…..
            9. 7/15/1099 The Crusaders conquered Jerusalem and during the process killed more than 60.000 Jewish and Muslim mean, women and children….. In the words of one alleged witness “there [in front of Solomon’s temple] was such a carnage that our people (the Christians) were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes”, he also said that after the fall of Jerusalem that the Christians were “happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour’s tomb, to humour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude”….. The Archbishop of
            Tyre, an eye-witness wrote “It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain.” He added “It was not alone the spectacle of HEADLESS bodies and MUTILATED limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themsleves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them”. It was also reported that “within the major temple enclosure alone that about 10,000 “infidels (non-Christians) perished” Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that “even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition”

            10. 8/12/1099 during the battle of Askalon over 200,000 “heathens” were slaughtered and I quote “in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ”
            11. ALL told the FIRST Crusade took the lives of over 1,000,000 men, women, children and infants all in the name of God and Christianity…..

            I am only up to 1099 AD, do you really want me to continue????? I have not gotten into what happened in the other SIX Crusades *that I know of) or to “heretics”, “witches”, “Jews”, in the other “Religious Wars”, Native Americans and others….. I have not gotten into the
            more recent atrocities committed in the name of God and Christianity, you know things like:How about Catholic terror in Vietnam??? In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters – the Viet Minh – finally defeated the French government in N. Vietnam (the French had been supported by U.S. funds that totaled more that 2 BILLION dollars) with the help of US forces (later nicknamed “Soldiers of Christ”) democratic elections that could have put the Viet Minh in power in Vietnam were stopped and Catholic fanatic Ngo Dinh Diem was made President of S. Vietnam…
            Diem made sure that food, medical supplies and other aid sent by the US went to ONLY Catholics causing unknown deaths due to malnutrition and medical neglect to all non-Catholic/Christian citizens… In the Vietnamese version of McCarthyism a Presidential order was declared that effectively put thousands of Buddhist protesters and Monks into ‘detention camps’ these eventually turned
            into no-nonsense death camps….. Between 1955 and 1960 over
            500,000 sent to concentrations camps, 275,000 people were
            detained/tortured, and over 80,000 executed… This was done as a “Christian campaign” and supported by the US government…..

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Last Page for now…..
            1. In 1994 a small African country named Rwanda had several hundred thousand non-Christian citizens butchered on 10.10.1996 several news articles came about one of which was from S2 Aktuell, Germany a station generally favorable to the church stated “”Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda’s capital Kigali
            for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church,because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees – women, children, old – being brutally butchered facing the
            crucifix.

            According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
            In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of
            the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive…”

            I have BARELY scratched the surface here, there are the Christians in CAR who are killing non-Christians, burning down their homes and businesses… This is happening TODAY and CAR is not the only place it is occurring… I am pretty sure what you will say about all of
            this but each and every thing I brought up is easily verifiable…..

          • Dredd

            Seems you were in a violent relationship but Intent to blame it on Islam because of the man you hate. Not sure if I now would say I feel sorry for you or that maybe you deserved it especially with those views.

          • Erin Ahmed

            First of all, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and you are making a whole lot of assumptions. I do not hate my ex husband, I do however despise the ideology that he followed. Second of all, nobody “deserves” to be treated with violence, especially by someone you are in a relationship with, what the hell is wrong with you??? I base all of my statements on first hand experience and what I personally witnessed while living in that culture. If you think what they do is ok, then you are either one of them or completely ignorant and deluded about how people should treat one another. I suspect the latter since you seem to think anyone would deserve to be treated the way women and children are in that ideology. Shame on you.

          • 3/1 Marine

            Good post Erin. You know Islam from experience, Rocky does not.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Actually you are wrong it is 527 violent/cruel events and 6,236 violent/cruel verses BUT if you are going to be pointing out the nastiness of one book then you should really be honest and fair and state the facts on both sides…..

            The number of cruel or violent events in the Bible is 1214, in the Quran 527… Violence and cruelty total verses in the bible 31,173, in the Quran 6,236…

          • Erin Ahmed

            There is a huge difference between “events” that happened in the past and still actually committing those kind of acts today. In Christianity, when Jesus came we entered a period of grace, everything changed and we are no longer under the laws of the Old Testament. In John 13:34 Jesus summed it up with – “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” This is a far cry from the teachings and practices of Islam today. And as I stated before, I don’t hate muslims, I do however despise the ideology that they follow and the violence that it leads to.

          • Jakadiya

            You may be right in what you are saying. However, don’t paraphrase the Qur’an out of context. Can you also paraphrase how many times the Bible authorizes the killing of infidels, fornicators, disobedient children, etc? If you can’t, I may help you out. Do not judge Islam by what some deviant Muslims do but by the true teachings of the Qur’an. When a deviant Christian misbehaves, it is individualized, when a deviant Muslim musbehaves, it is Islam.

          • gatekeeper96740

            These are the “moderate” Muslims living among
            us. They’re moderate until they have a bad day. Most people have a bad
            day and go get drunk, or eat too much ice cream. Muslims behead people
            that won’t convert to Islam.

            He will be hailed as a GOOD Muslim. Because GOOD Muslims follow the Qur’an. And the Qur’an clearly states:

            Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)

            Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood (9:123)

            When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)

            Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)

            Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)

            The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)

            Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam. (5:33)

            The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)

            Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies (22:19)

            Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)

            The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)

            Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)

            Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)

            Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels (8:60)

            Islam is an EXTREME religion. You cannot moderately practice an
            EXTREME religion. Obama and the liberal media will downplay this as the
            act of one disturbed extremist. But it has already happened here in the
            US. Look up Brendan Tevlin. The liberal media buried this story too.

            There are hundreds of millions of Muslims just like this guy.
            Thousands are being beheaded every day by this supposedly “small group”
            of extremists. You keep believing that. Next time you see a “moderate”
            Muslim, I strongly suggest you don’t turn your back.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            There are 1,214 verses in the bible re: violence and cruelty… all have their nasty aspects.

          • Flyingfiddlers

            Islam is a poison and the west needs to contain and remove it.

          • mcclearypl

            Thank you for posting first hand information.

          • moo

            Jesus is mentioned in Quran ..but as a prophet .Means nothing .

          • Phil D

            And not to forget, as a contemptible person. He let “Judas”, according to islam, die on the cross for him while he sneaked away.

          • Paw Paw Paw Paw

            And everyone has the right to have their on homeland , they can go worship in the middle east

          • Nadia

            There is a lot of energy being spent of hating Muslims. Have you thought about using this energy to make sure you are right for the Hereafter?

          • Thomas Brown

            are you ok?

          • James Paterson

            Oh so you listen to mainstream media to get your info? Well that mainstream media doesn’t talk about the mass murders of Christians and Jews by this religion of peace, and not one imam or Muslim cleric is condemning these acts!! Silent approval is still approval! It is coming to the US just as it came to Europe! And they will consider you an infidel and behead you just the same!

          • steve crosley

            Islam only means peace to Muslims who blindly submit. To Christians Islam means war, persecution and death. It is the most insane doctrine/political system in the world . From its pedophil…ic and misogynistic cravings to its hyper-violent subjugation of Jews and Christians – Islam is a crazed animal.

            The Qur’an says: “Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush” (Surah 9:5)

            Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. Koran 2:191

            Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood. Koran 9:123

            When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them. Koran 9:5

            Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable. Koran 3:85

            The Jews & Christians are perverts, fight them. Koran 9:30

            Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam. Koran 5:33

            Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water & melt their skin & bellies. Koran 22:19

            The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them. Koran 8:65

            Muslims must not take the infidels as friends. Koran 3:28

            Terrorize & behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an. Koran 8:12

            Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels. Koran 8:60

            Women contaminate and defile – Koran: Sura 2:222, 4:43, 5:6
            Women are inferior to men – Koran: Sura 2:228, 4:11, 4:176, 53:27

            Men are the maintainers of women …. if a woman does not obey their husband, they are commanded to beat them – Koran: Sura 4:34

            “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers,”

            Move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers. Until the conditions are ripe, they (the followers) must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere.

            A 1991 U.S. Muslim Brotherhood memo lists ICNA as one of “our organizations and the organizations of our friends.” The memo says its “work” in America is “a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within.”

            Spawning Psychos Since 1928: Muslim Brotherhood “Allah is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.” ~Muslim Brotherhood creed 1928

          • RockyMissouri

            The Old Testament has been inspiring hatred for a few thousand years!….Several Crusades against humanity…. Several Inquisitions against human beings…!! Extreme Muslims have NOTHING that other religions didn’t do FIRST.

          • Christian Knight

            The BIBLE has evolved as a book as you can read in the NT the Quran is stuck in the 7th century..

          • Jane

            Christianity came long before Islam.

          • No

            “The Old Testament has been inspiring hatred for a few thousand years!….Several Crusades against humanity…. Several Inquisitions against human beings…!! Extreme Muslims have NOTHING that other religions didn’t do FIRST.”

            If that’s what you think Rockymissouri, then you know nothing of history.
            Islam began to spreading it’s faith by the sword, raping, pillaging, murdering and war mongering throughout the middle east 473 years prior to the advent of the first crusade in 1096 & 855 years prior to the first Inquisition in 1478.

            This Islamic warpath of utter brutality reached as far west as Andalusia/Spain and as far east as India. The crusades on the other hand affected an extremely limited area of the middle east and considering the nearly 500 years of Islamic aggression and incursion into Western lands that precipitated them they could largely be views as a reactionary sequence of events.

            You do nothing more than make claims that are inconsistent with well documented facts, make excuses using cherry picked information and attempt to down play the reality of Islam by presenting an extremely contrived and convenient re-remembering of history which paints all other faiths as the aggressors and Islam as the innocent faith forced into violence. I would laugh but it’s obvious you’re not joking.

          • Dennis J Barron

            Christians and Muslims have killed many many more of us than we have killed them. Judism didn’t teach me to kill people or hate people or cheat people. Theodore Hertzl wanted this for Israel: “It is founded on the ideas which are a common product of all civilized nations. … It would be immoral if we would exclude anyone, whatever his origin, his descent, or his religion, from participating in our achievements. For we stand on the shoulders of other civilized peoples. … What we own we owe to the preparatory work of other peoples. Therefore, we have to repay our debt. There is only one way to do it, the highest tolerance. Our motto must therefore be, now and ever: ‘Man, you are my brother.'” (Quoted in “Zion & the Jewish National Idea”, in Zionism Reconsidered, Macmillan, 1970 PB, p. 185)

          • RockyMissouri

            It’s a poor practice to denigrate other religions, while promoting your own.

            More Jews reject Zionism.

          • R Lee Urbanski

            Now you are just spitting out of your mouth what your Muslim friends have been telling you and you believe them without checking it out for yourself. There is a word for that Rocky (FOOL)

          • Jammers

            What you call the Old Testament had nothing to do with crusades and inquisitions. These were conducted by christians against the Jews

          • duffy

            Oh well then that makes it perfectly fine. As long as other religions did it in the distant past, it’s just dandy for radical muslims to do it today, is that your argument? The Crusades if you knew anything about history were a direct result of muslims attacking and subduing other Christian countries. It was a response to violence met with violence. The only thing a muslim seems to understand.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            Without the crusades Spain would be a muslim country

          • Cynthia L Smith

            Wrong again dumbdumb. The crusades was a war fought against Muslims that had been raiding and murdering hundreds of thousands of Christians for 200 years. EERHHHHHHH!!!! WRONG AGAIN YOU ILLITERATE HILLBILLY.

          • wri7913

            Show me in the modern world where Old Testament is inspiring hatred. You won’t find it. Your comments are irrational. Crusades were a latent response to Muslim aggression and imperialism. Inquisition was bad yes, but no where near the kind of carnage that Islam has reaped on Mankind in the 1400 years its been around. Christianity does not TEACH hatred or killing people. The Koran does. Moslems follow their perfect leader Mohammad, who was a pedophile and a warlord.

          • Anne Mallin

            So , …. uhhh,, then our military leaders and politicians who allow them to live here you are saying they do not know this or do not care or just are too lazy to learn?
            I am serious.
            What the heck is our country spending 560 Billion on every year and not using some of that to keep our borders safe?
            It can’t be money because the money is being used for the military.
            So what is happening is that our country is still borrowing money from China yet sees no way to stop spending s 300 billion to keep our borders safe but so we can post bases in 700 places during peace time and keep sanding rusty tankers, subs and planes getting ready to fight other people’s wars?
            So we can station men all over the world without their wives and girlfriends so they can find an ungodly wife and bring her home?
            One very important thing God’s word says is not to be ‘yoked’ with unbelievers in God, meaning financially , maritally or business wise.
            Read God’s word and keep out unChristian people who want to live under God’s country he gave us !

          • Eleanor Boening

            The Jesus in the Koran is claimed to be a Muslim who is going to come back and kill anyone who is not Muslim. That is not the Jesus we worship. When the Muslims say “innocents”… they mean only Muslims because they consider the rest of us as the enemy and deserve to be killed.

          • RockyMissouri

            Piffle and hogwash.

          • Christian Knight

            The truth is bitter to you RockyMissouri..

          • R Lee Urbanski

            The Qu’ran says that it’s OK for the men to have sex with animals. Now you tell me what good can come out of a book that allows such perversion. And if you think that what I just said was a lie then you know nothing about the Qu’ran and therefore you know nothing about Muslims. You obviously don’t know what you are talking about so the only rational conclusion that a reasonable person can come too is, that you are either a moron or you are a want to be Muslim.

          • Christian Knight

            They make JESUS into a genocidal maniac..

          • Christian Knight

            JESUS is only mentioned in the Quran to tempt people to Islam.. They do not know the real JESUS of the BIBLE only their imposter Isa.. They deny JESUS divinity.. making Islam antichrist.

          • No

            Note how you omitted the fact that the Koran’s version of the story of Christ is actually extremely offensive to actual Christians. It both belittles and delegitimizes him, placing him in a subordinate position to Muhammed as a prophet of the Abrahamic faiths. If the tables were turned and another religion attempted to do that to Muhammed in their scripture there would be riots, murders, bombings and likely genocide in reprisal.

          • mrcombi

            Non muslims are guilty of infidelity and the Jesus (Isa) mentioned in the quran is nothing more than a prophet. But you saw a show on NG. I’m impressed… Not…

          • Rachel Ridge Feuerbach

            He is mentioned, yes, but only as a prophet, and not the main one, they believe Mohammed to be the last and greatest prophet. They also only consider Muslims to be innocents. If you are pagan you don’t have the same status as Jews or Christians – they are considered “People of the Book”, monotheistic, so can be allowed to pay the tax rather than having to convert or die. Pagans can be killed or enslaved without penalty.

          • Amadaun

            Tell that to ISIS.

          • RockyMissouri

            THEY ARENT MUSLIMS. THEY ARE CRIMINALS.

          • Cynthia L Smith

            No they are Muslims dumbdumb.

          • Cynthia L Smith

            I know you don’t know it but FYI the Qur’an says it’s ok to rape ,sell and murder females that aren’t muslim. Yes, very peaceful that book. Reads like mein kompf

          • Kurt Von Arnold

            The Jesus mentioned in the Quran is similar to the Jesus of Christianity in name only. Muslims reject the immaculate conception. They reject the divinity of Christ. They reject the resurrection. The very foundations of Christian beliefs are negated in the Quran. As to your statement about “the killing of innocents is forbidden”, perhaps you should rely more on reading the Islamic texts like the Quran and Hadith than watching National Geographic. The Quran does state that the killing of innocents is “Haram” but you need to understand that according to Islamic teaching all Kuffar are in rebellion by their disbelief, against the will of Allah.
            Hence they are not innocent in the eyes of Islamic law and CAN be lawfully killed.
            Educate yourself……… Please.

          • RockyMissouri

            Acquire some humanity…..please.

          • Tepes

            But, just the pure fact you are not muslim, makes you guilty in the eyes if Islam. So there goes your argument.

          • Rob Silvertree

            Islam has killed more Brits than the IRA. The IRA is a banned terrorist organisation. Islam must be treated in the same way. Fanatics and those who tacitly support them are not needed in the west.

          • Charles Hollier

            Jesus is mentioned as a prophet in the Koran. True. But not as the son of God and Savior. Huge difference. And Muslims kill innocent people daily. It is the most violent intolerant religion on the planet.

          • Cynthia L Smith

            There are no innocents according to the Qur’an. It also is easily proven a false book you can’t follow. It says the gospel cannot be corrupted yet then says it’s corrupt. It also says that later passages Will be followed and if any before contradict it the preceding verses will be ignored. You have to remember that these documentaries are paid for and created by libturd hippies who think we shouldn’t have borders. They’re walking around oblivious to reality.

          • RockyMissouri

            You should do yourself a favor, and stop watching FoxNews. It’s poison for the mind..!! Really….”LIBTURD”…??

          • Lane Cobble

            Yes, shame on you Cynthia. The proper term is ‘libtard’, and is spelled as such.

            Rocky can protect darkness and evil if he likes, he can fight on the side of perversion, evil, and Darkness if he wants. We are sons of day, we belong to the Light, to Christ and Truth, we do not belong to darkness or the night. Anyone protecting the foulness of Muslims and their belief system is only protecting darkness and evil. They will answer for that one day, in this world or the next. It won’t be pleasant for them.

          • RockyMissouri

            You sound like a nasty godless bigot, full of hate for anyone …not like you. I feel sorry for you. People will NEVER meet your expectations…they will always fall short.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            You sir are the bigot. You hate religion.

          • Nadia

            Step outside and take a look at what you just said. Do yo uknow that you speak as if you speak facts as if you know. Did you know your very message is leaning toward hate message?Oh so you can determine that what we will be rewarded is unpleasant or pleasent. My dear , jsut from your writing you need to work on whether you will get to the next life or not. And how do you know you are not goign toward the darkness, i would be careful about concluding things.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            I don’t watch fox news as I only have internet and 12 channels. I get my news from reading whats happening online. Opposing views and more truth. All of these people seem much more educated then you. Could it possibly be that you have a chip on your shoulder against religion and would like to lump them all together as the same? Single instanced of people doing bad things does not equate to a whole religion that believes what the quran tells them to do.

            Tell the truth. You really haven’t read anything about these religions. They just go against what you want to believe is ok. You’re a bigot. Now that is the truth.

          • Lane Cobble

            Wrong. You don’t have the right to threat death, rape, torture, and slavery to every non-Muslim in the world, which is exactly what someone does when they self-identify as “Muslim”, which means they pledge allegiance to a book that declares war against all those who refuse to bow to Sharia Law and Muslim rule.

            By openly threatening the freedom of religion of others, along with every other basic human right, you thereby forfeit your own rights. Tough cookies. And all the fault of Muslims. They need to man up, take a look deep down inside, face the ugly facts of their death cult ‘religion’, and abandon it. If not, they will pay the price.

            No more Islam in the Americas or Europe. Period. Enough is enough.

          • RockyMissouri

            Too late! It is already one of the three Abrahamic religions…!! And they’re all related…through Abraham…!! Ha! You have to love that… And, really … Who do you think you are, the pope….? Or King….? People have freedom of religion in THIS COUNTRY…!! Whether YOU like it, or not.

          • Cynthia L Smith

            The results are in. You are retarded.

          • RockyMissouri

            You reveal a lot about yourself with that remark. It takes a mental giant to call someone names, like dumb dumb and retarded….!! Is that what you were taught….??

          • Mr Bigglesworth

            As do you when you dismiss or of hand what people here are trying to tell you about Islam. What arrogance. You cannot possibly accept that someone might know more than you on this subject because you watched a show on National Geographic. Libtard indeed.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            Bigot!

          • Lane Cobble

            You need to do more research in the exact definition of “innocent” in Islam. It’s not as generous a definition as you might think. Basically, under Islam, ANYONE who fails to bow down to Islamic rule, Sharia Law, or is seen by their Muslim neighbors or rulers as being oh-so-even-slightly ‘disrespectful’ to their Muslims overlords or their holy book or prophet or god (satan really, they worship satan), then they can kill you.

            “Innocent” in Islam is highly subjective and so narrow that it places all power in the hands of the savages Muslims to decide whether you’re “innocent” or not. It is meaningless, just as the ‘religion of peace’ mantra is wholly and completely meaningless. It’s a joke, as is the whole of Islam. Unfortunately it is a deadly joke. Time to bury it and its followers, once and for all.

          • Jer

            Are non Muslims innocents? But I will say here where I live moderate Muslims are speaking out against the violence. How about we just hunt down the murdering freaks and let everyone else live their lives?

          • Matthew O Stroben

            Because all muslims use the quran. Even moderate ones can spawn these killers. And truly they are allowed to lie so as to further their religion. Ask these moderates if sharia law is a just law made by Allah.

          • bobfairlane

            Mudslims are anti-European, and don’t belong in Europe.

          • Joseph Matovich

            Rocky Isn’t that the killing of innocent moslims?

          • Lorenzo Pennypacker

            the killing of innocent is encouraged. 109 times as a matter of fact

          • Nick

            I do know that! Did you know that it is Judas who is crucified in Jesus’ place in the Koran? HI – FREAKING -LARIOUS!!!

            The Koran is a massive corruption of both the old and new testaments. Perhaps there is something to Salmon Rushdie’s Satanic Verses.

          • Escapade

            Then let them go ahead and worship their demons without forcing others to do likewise. As for the “killing of innocents” being forbidden – have you shared that bit of wisdom with Hamas? The shedding of innocent blood comes as the result of their failing to protect their young and countless times using their children as shields.

          • msmischief

            Someone of the same name bearing no relation to the Gospels appears in the Koran.

            And in Muslim eyes, not being a Muslim means you are not innocent.

          • Splinter_In_Your_Mind

            Jesus maybe mentioned in the Quran but Muslims massacre Jesus’ Christian followers.

            “When we say innocent, we mean Muslim. As for non-Muslims, they are guilty!” – Muslim preacher Anjem Chaudry in BBC interview

          • Laura Flannery

            Muslims do not believe that Jesus was the son of God. Did you know that in the Koran Jesus would be second in command to the Mahdi and Jesus is going to convert Jews and Christians to Islam or kill us.

          • RockyMissouri

            Best not read the Old Testament as it is plum filled with horror upon horror…. It has ALL KINDS OF GHASTLY & PREPOSTEROUS THINGS in it, and in fact can FAR surpass ANY OTHER RELIGIOUS BOOK for scary monsters and terrifying people in it. Be warned: Do not read it at night..!! There are too many strange sexual situations in it…

          • Laura Flannery

            You are right as rain about the Old Testament which I have read. However, in the year of our Lord 2014, we do not have millions of Jews or Christians making children memeorize the OT. You do not see them stoning their women or living out the stories in the Bible the way the Koranderthals are doing TODAY. We are not immigrating to THEIR lands and making demands of our hosts as they do.

          • Sherry Mitchell

            SO what if He was mentioned, just because I talk about Santa doesn’t mean I believe he is real. They don’t believe who Jesus really was so mentioning Him means nothing. And Jesus wasn’t a prophet..mohammad was just putting himself on the same level as Jesus which isn’t even close to the truth.

          • Lea

            Mentioning Jesus several times is meaningless. The muslim Isa bears no resemblance to the Jesus Christ of the Gospels. And Muslims do have the right to worship satan, but they can do it in one of their 57 islamic hellholes and not in our western civilisation that is based on a christian framework.

          • Janet Noll

            Your a muslim otherwise you would be smart enough to know better. Shameful

          • RockyMissouri

            You are a sad person to be so unkind. What difference does it matter if I WAS Muslim….or, a Hindu…or, a Krishna…?? Do you disregard those people, and think YOU are superior to them..?? Do you think your God only cares about Christians…? We are all the same creation…

          • Lea

            There is no moral equivalence between Islamic civilization and western civilization. Muslims are a major threat to global security.

          • RockyMissouri

            I’m thinking that hate-filled religious people, WHOEVER THEY ARE, are the BIGGEST DANGER TO THE WORLD…!!

          • Lea

            You are one of those pathetic individuals that just cannot come to grips with the very obvious FACT that it is ONLY one particular community that is the problem and they ALL adhere to the exact same putrid ideology that was introduced to this world through a rather wicked individual called mohammad. Evil prospers because good men to nothing and the danger here is exactly that. If it is christians who are the ones that are speaking out against the islamic jihad on our western civilisation then realise this: If it were not for the Christian Crusaders there would be no Europe or America, and we would all be muslims. Stop trying to dilute the fact that Islam is at war against us whether we like it or not.

          • RockyMissouri

            Your humanity comes through loud and clear.

          • Lea

            A hypothetical question: If someone threatened to kidnap, convert to another religion, and marry your 10 year old daughter, would you take it seriously?

            Another: If an buddhist political party became the ruling party in your government and introduced the blasphemy law to stop anyone from saying anything about Buddha, how would you deal with that?

          • RockyMissouri

            ‘You have to be carefully TAUGHT TO HATE
            Before you are 6, or 7, or 8
            To hate all the people your relatives hate
            You must be carefully taught.’

            – South Pacific
            Rogers & Hammerstein

          • Lea

            It took the Christian Crusaders almost 500 years to react to the perpetual war of the muslims on christians and their property. By then the whole Middle east was lost, Anatolia, North Africa, parts of Europe, Egypt, Afghanistan, India, Mongolia, the Caucusus and Ukraine and crimea. The West is based on a Christian frame work and the Golden rule: Love they neighbour. What do you do when you neighbour hates you and wants to kill you and rape your spouse and steal your children?

          • Redemption Ofall

            Rocky, the Quran does not talk about Jesus. It talks about Isa and this Isa is completely different then Jesus. They tried to make him somewhat the same but Isa’s teachings and principles and spirit and Character are all completely different then Jesus in the scriptures. . None of us are stupid. We know youre Muslim because only Muslims ignore the facts and continue to praise their unholy book and Satanic God and False Prophet.

          • wri7913

            Jesus in the Koran is not the same Jesus that Christians know. In the Koran, Jesus is a prophet and nothing more. Muslims claim he will return at the end of days to break all remaining crosses and kill all remaining Christians who have not converted or submitted to Islam by this time. Does this sound like the same Jesus that Christians worship? The Jesus of Christian worship is a loving God who encourages his followers to be peaceful and help their fellow man. Quite a huge difference between the two.

          • notislam

            This isn’t religions —-Islam is a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY that masks itself as a religion.

          • Chuck Reichenbach

            Because the Koran came after. The only innocents in Koran are other Muslims. The infidel is suppose to be killed.

          • RockyMissouri

            Hogwash.

          • 3/1 Marine

            But the devil is in the details, as they say.
            Infidels (any non-Muslim, not just Christians) are not “innocent.”
            You need to read the sections of the Koran concerning this, not base your opinion on some swarmy National Geo program.
            ISIS quotes chapter and verse from the Koran.

          • Duffy

            the killing of innocents is forbidden.

            And yet the Muslims are so very good at it. Why is that?

          • RockyMissouri

            No different than Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus…

          • watcherofolde

            No infidel is ”innocent” Rocky. That aside, they do a great business murdering each other as well.

          • ahva

            You are quite ignorant of his teachings… al-taqiyya from a Muslim is for Everyone… Now that the Muslims are beheading babies… standing on babies chests in triumph hanging them to strangle… burning coals on their chests…. How do you see it now? Has the lies you have been told faded? Or are you going to hang on to this belief that the “poor” Muslim are misundertood and that Islam is a religion of “peace”…Let me fill you in on what I have studied for 4 yrs… The Suras supercede each other.. meaning the first is invalidated by next.. Let me give you the LAST Sura from on High..

            9:29 Fight [q-t-l] those among the people of the Book who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden and do not profess the true religion, till they pay the poll-tax out of hand and submissively…… Let me point it out to MAKE SURE you get it…

            do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden and do not profess the true religion..

            Now … a couple Suras right out of the news papers today..

            When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!” – Quran,Sura 8.12.”

            “Fight them [those who oppose Islam], Allah will torment them with your hands, humiliate them, empower you over them, and heal the hearts of the believers, removing the rage from their hearts”-Sura 9.14-15

            You better damn well know what your talking about when you uphold Islam.. All of history tells the same story on them.They maybe ignorant of what the Quran really says…most Muslims are illiterate… But Abu Bakr has a MA,Ba,PHd in Islamic studies..And your HEAD will depend on your knowledge. Real Peace out…

          • RockyMissouri

            That is not Islam.

          • jody garrett

            Not to those who take the Koran literally…

          • LVRichardson

            Rocky, Rocky, Rocky. Ha, ha! National Geographic?? Really? Are you serious? Obviously not. If you want to know anything else, such as reality, I would recommend continuing your education.

          • Mohammed Childraper

            And yet your muslim heroes are killing innocents by the thousands.

            You are nothing more than Dhimmi scum.

          • RockyMissouri

            Is that what you were taught…to be nasty..?

          • Anto de Chav

            Let them do it in muslim countries..where they can butcher animals and say prays to satan(Halal).. or wrap women up like mummies

          • curenado

            Well it does not happen that way does it? Quit hiding behind a pretense of worship. Everyone is on to them and wants rid of. Good. Multikulti is a lie. A big one. Ask any country they are in.

          • curenado

            Rocky face it. We said “show the world your true glory!” The pedophile pea brain pigs did and that always reminds the world that “dang! They’re still around? Fetch the roach spray!” So let it be done. Who needs a G-d to be outraged of dirty goats? Human dignity denies them.

          • Daniel

            Everyone knows that Jesus is mentioned in the Koran, apparently you think someone is ignorant simply because they’re critical of Islam. For every verse in the Koran that seems to promote peace, there are several that clearly promote war. Islam has been based upon the concept of territorial expansion by the means of force since its inception. Islam does not preach tolerance, it displays acts of intolerance every time it has the capability of doing so. If Muslims had the chance, they would force everyone else to convert or die, or live under a subordinate status paying a special tax simply because they’re non-Muslims.
            Tolerance of Islam is treason to the rest of us. That’s not ignorance, its the truth.

          • RockyMissouri

            The Old and New Testaments are filled with contradictions, as well. They are books, written by MEN. If you condemn Islam, you must do the same to Christianity, and Judaism…since they are ALL RELATED. Their common ancestor is Abraham….the man who was going to kill his beloved son. Good grief!

          • opo

            You obviously have not read or studied the Koran. At times it says it is forbiden and at times it says it is okay as long as they are Kaffir (non-muslims) It also says Kaffir women well at wore can be taken as sex slaves after they are purified by prayer. Well if she’s a virgin she can be raped right away as long as she is over 9 years old, (the age of Aisha… one of Mohamed’s wives). Those sex slaves can be given as presents, sold, passed around… whatever you weant…. oh ya and if she or one of your slaves runs away… the punishment is death. Doubt anything I say??????? Look it up!!! It’s all true in the Koran. The religion of PEACE… Have fun Europe

          • rick53

            yea and in the bible it mentions groups like muslims ,they are called false CHRISTS and are not the way.Many religions talk about JESUS.They feed you a little truth and fill it with lots of deception.none of these other groups accept the fact that JESUS CHRIST only son of GOD and GOD IN THE FLESH

          • John Adams

            bullshit–all non muslims to them are not innocent–are you stupid ?

          • Ayatolla Howmany

            The usual muslim taqiyya. We are up to speed on muslim lies, victimhood and supposed supremacy- the game is up, do as other muslims and LEAVE.

          • mcclearypl

            Muslims have no right of any kind except to go to hell when they die!

          • RockyMissouri

            You condemn YOURSELF when you speak in that way.

          • Pavel

            You have just insulted my religion. Does that mean I have a right to kill you?
            FYI, YOUR Jesus is not mine Jesus. Your Jesus was a nephew of Moses and he was a completely fictional wizard. My Jesus lived much later, he is a historical figure, and he preached that human rights are just as important as worship of any god.

          • RockyMissouri

            You insult your own religion with that ignorant comment.

          • Goldfinger

            Keep your head in the sand

          • t1618

            Read the koran and the hadiths, Rocky, only after you have read them will you be qualified to defend your naive position on Islam

          • BillClintonsShorts17

            Yep. But if you refuse to convert to Islam, you are NOT innocent.

          • Forgotten Vet

            You should read a little more…

            1] Kill any one who insults Islam or
            Mohammed. (Koran.33;57-61).
            2) Kill all Muslims who leave Islam.
            (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57).
            3) Koran can not be doubted.
            (Koran.2;1).
            4) Islam is the only acceptable religion.
            (Koran.3;85).
            5) Muslims must fight (jihad) to non-Muslims, even
            if they don’t want to. (Koran.2;216).
            6) We the non-Muslims are
            pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166).
            7) We
            the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51).
            ? We
            the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101).
            9)
            We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slave. (Koran.4;3 &
            24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30).
            10) We the non-Muslims the vilest
            of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6).
            11) Muslim must
            terrorized us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/
            Bukhari.4;52;220).

            12) Muslims must strike terror into
            non-Muslims hearts. (Koran.8;60).
            13) Muslims must lie to us
            (non-Muslims) to strengthen and spread Islam.
            (Koran.3;28?16;106).
            14) Muslims are allowed to behead us
            (non_Muslims) (Koran.47;4).
            15) Muslims are guaranteed to go to
            heaven if they kill us (non-Muslims). (Koran.9;111).
            16) Marrying
            and divorcing pre-pubescent children is OK. (Koran.65;4).
            17) Wife
            beating is OK. (Koran.4;34).
            18) Raping wives is OK.
            (Koran.2;223).
            19) Proving rape requires 4 (four) male Muslim
            witnesses. (Koran.24;13).
            20) Muslims are allowed to crucify and
            amputate us (non-Muslims). Koran.8;12/47;4)….

          • RockyMissouri

            Sounds like the Old Testament. The three Abrahamic religions are all related to each other through Abraham.!! You cannot condemn one without condemning all of them.

            It is most unattractive to bash and denounce other religions and act superior to everyone else. A sure way to lose membership.

          • Trevor Fitzgerald

            Killing of innocent’s maybe forbidden, but that has not stopped moslems slaughtering millions of innocents, to this very day.

          • RockyMissouri

            Nor has it stopped Christians and Jews. When were these ‘millions’ slaughtered…? In the Middle Ages …?? During the umpteen crusades…??

          • AlanfromNY

            You’re comparing ONE-OFF SITUATIONS with 1400 years of ISLAMIC TERRORISM – which is based precisely on the COMPULSION FROM THE KORAN? Seems like a pretty bad argument to me!

          • sheepdog

            Yes but only Islam commands them to do it , Only Islam says convert or die . you make valid points but believe me Islam is different and needs to be treated different

          • Nadia

            Islam does not say that. If that was the truth then EVERYYYY Muslim would be killing their neightbours ,their firends, there family. Therefore you need to correct your statement.

          • sheepdog

            yes it does do some reading, moehumad was a warrior looter caravan raider

          • Nadia

            ok, so where do you live?So that me and my husband can go practice our Islam on you then

          • sheepdog

            you and your husband are cowards, typical of your dirty kind

          • Nadia

            You do not know Islam well enough especially since you are no Muslim , you can not tell me you know more than a Muslim.I may have my opinion about Christianity but i c an not say i know their religion so well that i repeate what in the Bible to match up with my unbias thought about them. It takes a great detail of nderstanding and not copying and paste form the website or not just quitoing some verse form the Qur an when you dont even know wha t parts are literal, intrepretative, timse bound, and what is just used for humans to rationalize from that,

          • sheepdog

            all i know is Muslims are a killing machine do you not see the news? are you so blind? you do not have to know Islam to see all the killing .why do you not condone the killing by YOUR religion? come on let me hear it

          • Nadia

            FIne Fine thats great, so again where do you live, so me and my husband come to pay you a visit

          • sheepdog

            ok ill tell yo where i live but you cant bring your husband .Muslimas turn me on so much i think you are the most beautiful women on the earth, such a shame your men treat you like garbage! see i know you are not allowed in Mosque and if you are you must be in the basement away from the men……come over to my world nadia and i promise you sweet love making like you can not get from a muslim man as they prefer small boys and farm animals !Muah My sweet lover Nadia i promise you will be pleased no one makes love like us Italians

          • sheepdog

            Where did you go my loverly sexy muslima? i’ve been dreaming of you coming to my house without your husband of course , im not gat you know like your husband. But i do like to bed muslimas as they are soo sexy please come over and please me…….i don’t care if your clitoris is missing

          • Ellie

            You are wrong on one thing, Baruch Godstein didn’t enter the Cave of the Patriarchs… He went to the Mosque, and only because those morans Arabs had been killing thousands of Israeli’s on buses, schools, kindergarten, restaurants, night clubs, Hotels and you name it… It was one act against thousands. For the last 30 years it was those who came from the Muslim religion that are acting in a savage way…

          • Shaniqua

            The IRA didn’t do so due to the mental illness that is religion.

          • Splinter_In_Your_Mind

            IRA are IRISH Republican Army, not Catholic or Christian Republican Army. They’re nationalists not religious fundamentalists, whatever religion individual members may belong to privately.

            Buddhists in Myanmar are defending themselves from Muslims who want to exterminate Buddhists.

            Baruch Goldstein was one man. There are hundreds of different Muslim terrorist groups containing millions of Muslim members who hate all non-Muslims.

            Why should there be Muslims i n Ireland when churches aren’t allowed in Saudi Arabia and Muslims commit genocide against Christians and other non-Muslims in Syria and Iraq?!

          • RockyMissouri

            Why SHOULDN’T there be Muslims…..?? Catholics USED to exterminate ANYONE who wasn’t Catholic …and there are still Catholics..

            The Buddhist monks were quite violent…. Those Muslims did not deserve to be set adrift.

          • Martin Ellacott

            Actually, it would be better to condemn all religion….it’s the major cause of World conflict and always has been.

          • RockyMissouri

            Why not simply encourage respect for all…..??

        • stumpysteve

          …or flies a plane into a building

          • Goldcoaster

            or beheads someone. not in a long, long time.

        • imrandy

          Have you heard of the crusades or the inquisition?

          • Matthew O Stroben

            You should really read all the comments before you talk about the crusades.

        • Alessandro

          or mutilates the genitals of women

        • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

          You do not need to blow yourself up to kill….. So here you go, some information about atrocites recent and current committed by Buddhidtd and Catholics…

          In Myanmar/Burma Buddhist’s have been killing Muslims, including children and destroying their homes and businesses… The Buddhist extreme group known as 969 goes all over encouraging people to kill Muslims… In Rakhine 17 women and children were hacked to death by Buddhist extremists… In Sri Lanka many Muslims have been injured and Buddhists are burning down Muslim homes/businesses due to the radical Buddhist group known as Bodu Bala Sena and their encouragement of violence… Oh yes, it goes on through history as well, these are but an example…

          The atrocity of close to 800 emaciated childrens’ bodies buried in a Irish Nuns’ septic tank represented the 34th child mass grave site linked this week to the Catholic Church… There have been 32 child mass grave sites uncovered so far in Canada, most of them on Catholic-run native residential school grounds… The Irish child mass grave site containing bodies of children from age two days to nine years, was located at a now-defunct Catholic home for unwed mothers. According to death records, the little ones were fragile, pot-bellied, emaciated and died as late as 1961 from malnutrition and infectious diseases such as measles and TB… Children of the Canadian Catholic native residential schools were determined to have been murdered or died of malnutrition, human experimentation, torture, Small Pox infection, or were thrown into a furnace. An eye witness claimed that in 1944 she witnessed a newborn infant incinerated by a priest at Muscowegan Catholic Indian School, Saskatchewan Canada. The child torture was documented for court in Kevin Annett’s “Hidden No Longer” available for free here… The ICLCJ Court has uncovered and is trying many cases based on Catholics killing children in clandestine rituals with many witnesses to the atrocities… Pope Francis Bergoglio, Catholic Jesuit Superior General Adolfo Pachon and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby were found guilty of rape, torture, murder and trafficking of children. Five judges of the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels determined that the crimes occurred as recently as 2010. Since last March over 48 eyewitnesses have come forward to testify before this ICLCJ Court about the defendants’ activities as members of the Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult…

          Now, do we KNOW these events are happening, yes, do we know all the facts… No, not unless you were there to see it with your own eyes… BUT where there is smoke there is usually fire. I ONLY did this minimal amount of research to show that YES even Buddhists and Catholics kill children….. There was much much more information available…

          • Sherry Mitchell

            yup that trumps the 11 million muslims have killed since 1948( not)..oh and that number is just muslims they have killed…no one else. Shoot all the women having abortions trumps that too That’s 56 million since Roe vs Wade( 1973) So there’s a band wagon for you to jump on since you seem to like giving everyone else grief for what they say.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            You are really looking for someone to troll desperately… I responded to his post with proof that other religions, specifically the 2 he mentioned DO commit acts of violence that cause the deaths of children… If you want to talk trumping… How about the 350,000,000+ deaths that can be directly attributed to Christianity in just about 2500 years…
            Because I respond to a post… WHICH BTW is what is supposed to happen just as YOU responded to mine does not mean I am giving someone grief… Honey you need to get a life if you let little things like someone having their own opinion get to you this badly…

            As for abortion, I personally believe life begins at conception so jump off your soapbox before it gets so slippery you fall off and look like a fool.

          • Sherry Mitchell

            Oh you’re priceless!! you spew your bs at so many and tell ME to get a life LOL 2500 yrs of Christianity ….hmmm kind of hard when it’s only been Christianity for 2014….and I’m the fool …yup, your are something else

        • RockyMissouri

          Seriously…..Catholic clergy and their little (large!) problem with abuse of children…….?$&@

        • The Britisher

          The Provisinal IRA killed hundreds of innocent women and children both in Ulster and on the British mainland, largely funded by the same Americans that are now so committed to the ‘war on terror’, you want examples of Catholics blowing people up, we’ll speak to ANY Brit and we’ll give you a very long list.

        • Jester

          Are you kidding me? Irish Republican Army (IRA). I’m not Muslim but you’re a moron.

        • John

          By the same token, give us one shred of tangible evidence that the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews. Because if they did, there should be at least 30,000 tons of remains piled up around Europe and I’m not seeing any monuments to that.

      • Matthew O Stroben

        Or through the teaching of his religion raped or beheaded others in this day and age. Again this day and age not when ignorant people killed in the name of the bible 100’s of years ago.

        • RockyMissouri

          People are STILL killing in the name of the Christian bible.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            No they aren’t the country in Africa is retaliating from the muslims doing the very same thing to them. They are tired of it. If anyone does that who is christian the rest of us think they are crazy. See your missing the point. Killing and rape and having sex with children is part of and acceptable in their religion.It’s what Mohammed taught them. We have nothing in the new testaments that tell us to do this. The old testament is thought of more as a book of myths then history.

          • Dustin Thundernuts Sullivan

            Your counter argument is so weak there are no countries in the Christian world ruled by “Christian fundamentalist law” that says it’s cool to kill gay people stone women for adultery beat your wife etc. you are being tolerant to people who are the definition of intolerance

          • Christian Knight

            Where are they doing this..

          • Ilija Domazet

            rockymissouri is a muslim in disguise, it’s called taqiyya… don’t pay any attention to his comments, he is here to provoke christians and advocate islam…

          • Cynthia L Smith

            Well he’s failing miserably. His comments are the rantings of a lunatic , nothing more. Clearly retarded and absolutely learning disabled.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            I wish they allowed you to block people from commenting on your comments. I’m amazed he can write.

          • Nadia

            no one is adovcating Islam, but I am trying to defend it, because all of you here seem to have a very closed minded biased opinion about islam

          • R Lee Urbanski

            They are not killing in the name of the bible Rocky they are killing in the name of self defense. There is a big difference.

    • 21st Century Pacifist

      Judy G,
      These words have been said for every movement in our country. Civil Rights for blacks and Latinos, handicapped individuals and the GLBT community. It is typical of the majority to show their fear by saying “Why should they be getting attention?”. All you have to do is read some of the comments in this forum to realize why they think they are victims.

      • Juan José Rivera Díaz

        You are lying. Muslims NEVER condemn terrorist acts. On the contrary, they justify them saying… “it because of the evil westerners and the oppression upon islam…” and b.s. like that. Where are the rallies organized by muslims to condemn the christian GENOCIDE carried out by muslim freaks all over the middle east and Africa?? Nowhere. Their silence is deafening.

        • 21st Century Pacifist

          You must be watching different news than I do. The Muslim community is the first to condemn violent acts by radicals. You must not get out much. Lying is a strong work, don’t use it.

          • Juan José Rivera Díaz

            Yeah! that’s why muslims in Pakistán take the streets to rally against the christian persecution and to be spokesmen of Asia Bibi’s freedom. Oh wait… no, those are christians. Muslims put Asia Bibi in prison in the first place.

          • Nokoolade

            21st you are lying. There is no news on the planet that reports on muslims condemning any other muslim for anything, unless they are condemning someone for converting from islam to Christianity.

          • 21st Century Pacifist

            Well, in a civilized place where I live, there are excellent places where news are published. They inform the people and those that are capable of reasoning understand the news. That is where Muslims condemn fanatics of all kinds. You may not live in a place like that or you may not be able to understand what they are telling you.
            In this place, even Christians come to the defense of all other religions and even non believers when they are attacked by people like you.

          • All Ahjumpedashark

            Please post a link, the world is dying to read this amazing turn of events!

          • 21st Century Pacifist

            Links are usually no allowed in this type of forum to prevent spam. You can just Google it. You will be surprised.

          • Christian Knight

            21st Century Pacifist.. I’d like to recommend Understanding Taqiyya – Islamic principal of lying for the sake of Allah… It will enlighten you…

          • R Lee Urbanski

            Satire news don’t count you obviously get your news from the Onion news. Because you really don’t seem to know what you are talking about. You must be a liberal because when people don’t see your point you talk down to them like that are they are inferior or stupid or something and that’s just a typical liberal tactic that you all use when you are confronted with the truth.

          • 21st Century Pacifist

            Seems to me that you have an inferiority complex. Why do you feel inferior and stupid?
            I get plenty of news about everything and I listen, analyze and learn. If you think that all Muslims are malicious fins intending you harm, then you are also paranoid. Three out of three, not bad.

          • R Lee Urbanski

            You are a fool.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            Yes I would like to see this link also. Mostly I here they celebrate as when 9/11 occurred.

          • ziphyr

            And where would that wonderful place be????
            In Pakistan the Hindu population in the 50’s was 22% and now it is less than 2%. By god they were so impressed by islam that they all converted from Idolators to Believers . Right ??? My foot.Muslims when in minority cry oppression from the majority and when in Majority say that no other religion is allowed and it is the law of the land.

          • Nadia

            you are the only person on here that i turly truly respect, thank you for the comment

          • 21st Century Pacifist

            You are too kind, thank you.

          • Christian Knight

            Taqiyya…

        • RockyMissouri

          Perhaps you aren’t listening….and could care less….

      • Matthew O Stroben

        we are not talking about men. We are talking about a religion who’s teaching condone these actions.I am sure you are intelligent, but you are ignorant of the true teachings of Mohamed.

      • Veroniqua

        Absolute rubbish. Playing the victim role is their way of getting away with being perpetrators and not taking any responsibility for their actions. they are taught all these games. They believe that Mohammod was perfect and anything he did is their right whether it be murder, rape, torture, paedophilia, necrophiliea, beastiality, misogony, slavery, or lyng for the cause of Allah etc… Who, by the way a pagan moon god. The brainwashing starts before they are born.

        • Nadia

          I am sure you are a decent person with a good attitude but your words are so nasty. It is ok to disagree but to insult someones religions is outright wrong on your part.Pagan moon god? believers do not say such nasty things.There is only one god maybe you have not been taught this.

    • Bobby Head

      Before anything — lets start with who brought slaves to America (Europeans)???? and the Spanish people commenting shame on you – the Indians were the original inhabitants and Europe-Spain murdered….. so no one can act so clean as if they didn’t commit any crimes…. My friends you all are scared to face one thing that EUROPE and Russia colonized and killed more than anyone in the world….WWI and WWII. that so called Brit you call Lawrence … he divided the Ottomans trying to put Arab nationalism ahead but that has failed….Europeans are the real criminals— America is number 1 — we kicked European pride and any other pride and have created a nation of tolerance.. Europe is just Jealous

      • Thomas Brown

        Who sold the slaves to the Europeans? It was black Africans and muslim Africans. Time marches on. The “Indians” or “Native Americans” came there from Asia. Did you know Australian aborigines made it to South America before the “Native Americans” came? Then the “Native Americans” killed them off or absorbed them. And remember…how many people were killed by 1400 years of violent expansion of islam? A lot.

  • petehodge

    The fact is, he is right. Islam it an intolerant, dangerous, violent religion. I draw the line at violence against the individual though. I

    • magormissabib

      Saying Islam is satanic is not the same thing as saying you should break the law and commit violence agaisnt them,. Saying homosexuality is a sin is not the same thing as saying you should break the law and commit violence agianst them.

      • Jean Henri Laprime

        More goods points

      • Bill Veris

        Governments bringing in 1000’s of non-White migrants is putting people’s lives at danger… THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW ON A MASSIVE SCALE!

      • 21st Century Pacifist

        Really? Most of the people commenting in this forum would throw a 100 pound weight to a drowning Muslim. Everyday I rejoice in being an Atheist and not hating anyone, not even the hatemongers.

        • Matthew O Stroben

          WE would save a Muslim. We would ask them to go home though. their religion will not be so tolerant to you Atheist pacifics. You truly need to research about the teachings of Islam. And not just on their sites. You question if it is a religion of peace when you see the crimes committed by muslims in other countries. In britain the police warned woman not to ride in cabs because of the amount of rapes happening. Do you think its a coincidence that most taxi drivers are Muslim?

        • magormissabib

          You hate God, God hates you. That s why you felt the need to tell everyone that you’re and atheist. and Yes, really.

          • 21st Century Pacifist

            One can neither hate a fictional character nor be hated by one. Hate is an emotion that I don’t address as it is negative and only hurts those that feel it. I don’t even hate Darth Vader or Cercei Lanister.

          • magormissabib

            Gods hatred is not an emotion, Its his determination to destroy the wicked in hell. pretend it doesnt exist but that wont stop you from reaping what you sow.

    • Jean Henri Laprime

      Good point

    • Bill Veris

      Pete, you can say that but they wouldn’t have mercy on us in the Middle East. They’ll just bomb churches or whatever when they f___ will feel like. What they did is nothing to what non-Muslims have to endure in the Middle East! And what about sexy blonde reporters getting raped by 50 men!

      I was speaking to a Coptic lady who said she has blonde hair and she cannot go out in the streets because all the grizzly Muslim men stair at her because a lot of them haven’t seen blondes! She’s imprisoned in her own country!

  • magormissabib

    “constructive dialogue with other religions”? Lying to people is not constructive. Islam IS cruel and is of the devil and telling that truth is not the same thing as inciting violence against them. By that standard critisizing and prosecuting this preacher is hateful and inciting violence agaisnt christians. There is a vast difference between honest robust debate about an issue and inciting hatred and violence. I thought this stupidity only existed in the US!

    • Peter

      Same stupidity exists in AUSTRALIA too. They can preach jihad & killing of infidels & gay people in their houses of brainwashing hate called a mosque, but, WE as non muslims cannot !! We as non muslims CANNOT protest against these vermin !

      • Bill Veris

        WELL WHY NOT PETER!!!??? GRRRRRR…..

  • magormissabib

    exactly

  • Paul

    I have yet to see the masses of moderate muslims stand up to condemn any violence committed by so-called muslim extremists however they are very quick to speak out if anything happens to them.

    • petehodge

      Most will be too scared to.

      • Matthew O Stroben

        Thats the problem. They control dissenting members with fear. They also have the right to kill these dissenting members.

    • 21st Century Pacifist

      I am glad you have Internet access, think about getting a TV or a radio. The Muslim community usually condemns extremists. At least they do in my part of the world, Eastern US.

      • Nokoolade

        you are a liar, I live in the eastern US myself. Never has any muslim publicly condemned any violence by other muslims.

        • 21st Century Pacifist

          Then you are deaf, blind and not capable of reasoning.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            You are generalizing and not sharing any information. If any would condemn this they could not do it in public for fear of retaliation of the other muslims. Yes their are good Muslims, but they can do nothing unless they change what the profit taught himself.

          • Veroniqua

            So its acceptable for these warmongers to torture and murder christians, hang little boys in the street, rape and behead little girl and chop their hearts out and eat the organs of people they have murdered simply for being Christian. Time you got on the Internet and see the horrors for yourself. You can’t fake sawing someones head off!

      • Yoda PBUH

        Please post some links, the world needs to see this happening… don’t make us wait… you there?

    • john Possum

      FACT….

    • Dustin Thundernuts Sullivan

      That is the problem. These moderate Muslims are most of the time thought of as “Uncle Toms” by their more radical brothers and marginalized they have a very small voice and are very ineffectual in controlling them so far the only people who have been effective in controlling them are Christians with guns

  • Juan José Rivera Díaz

    How about an exchange? The muslims can go back to the middle east and Ireland can receive all the christians who are fleeing islamic countries due the relentless persecution.

    • 21st Century Pacifist

      Have you considered an alternative? Live and let live. This is what we Atheists believe in. The problem is with fanatics of ALL organized religions. Like you?

      • Juan José Rivera Díaz

        “Live and let live. This is what we Atheists believe in”. That’s what abortion is all about, right? Atheist are always up for abortion. But nice joke,

        If you think I’m a fanatic, well, you are quite an ignorant. Why is my question so “fanatic”? It’s a very good deal actually. Muslims want to live in the west, but pretending is the middle east and forcing everyone else to live like that. That’s stupid and crazy. They better go back there, don’t you think? Christians in the middle east want to live peacefully and practice their Faith freely. If crazy muslims want to kill them for that, those christians better come to the west, God knows we need Good christians here.

        • 21st Century Pacifist

          Maybe you are too young or have never lived as a minority in a foreign country. This is the typical racist/xenophobic response to a person from a different country when they comment/complain about anything in their host country. I, as a Colombian, have been told to go back there when I complained about the simplest thing, like poor treatment in a restaurant. This is usually directed to those that don’t meet the racial standards of he bigot.
          Mario Salazar Gaviria Vélez Rosado de la Calle González de la Calle Macias González de la Madrid Moreno…. Moyano (Belalcázar)

          • Juan José Rivera Díaz

            Te dijeron que te fuera regresaras a tu país? On no! que traumático debió ser! Los cristianos en medio oriente deberían de dejar de quejarse por ser perseguidos y asesinados por los musulmanes… podría ser peor para ellos, podría pasar que.. ¡les digan que se vayan!.

          • 21st Century Pacifist

            Traumatic, no. Just disappointed after I had served in the US Army in Vietnam. If someone persecutes me and wants to kill me, I run. Can you tell me exactly where this is happening? I think you are talking without any real information.

          • Juan José Rivera Díaz

            Sudan, Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, Afghanistan, pretty much every islamic country.

            Does the name Boko Haram ring any bells? Al Shabaab? ISIS?

            I wonder what kind of news network you watch… Al Jazeera?

          • Gloria

            You are so deluded man, don’t be so blind about muslims!!

          • Matthew O Stroben

            You have no idea of what your talking about. All of these people you talk about have at least christian compassion. Even the assholes.have christian ethics. Read up on the history of Mohamed. He raped killed and murdered. All Muslims are taught they can sleep with little children as he did. If a woman is raped it is her fault and she can be condemned to death for it. In the middle east you have to pay a non muslim tax on top of the normal taxes you pay.

          • 21st Century Pacifist

            You must be a very poor reader or may not be able to process information. Most of my comments are against people that accept religion either with a bias and/or without analysis. If you want genocide and violence, read the Old Testament, if you want racial intolerance read the bible, if you want sexual abuse read the Book of Mormon. Every tyrant and asasin from Torquemada to Osama Bin Laden has used a holly book to preach violence and intolerance.

          • Nadia

            I would be careful to make such a statement.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            Why Nadia? Are you threatening me?

      • Matthew O Stroben

        Then why don’t you atheists go live with them. See how kind and loving this faith is. your a fool if you think all religions are the same!

        • Phil D

          Funny thing is, atheism is forbidden under islam. It means the death penalty.

          • Nadia

            death penalty in what society. it is death penalty in the hereafter but now in actual life now

          • Phil D

            “Some Zanadiqa (Zanadiqa refers to those who innovate within Islam, adding rules to Islam which didn’t previously exist) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire). I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.

  • beaharitnavi

    The time for good people standing by and saying nothing is over. “as Christians it is our duty to show the love of God,etc etc..” [Presbyterian Reverend Dr. Rob Craig above]. Was Jesus showing love when he violently whipped the money changers and over turned their table? Yes He was. Love for His people who were being oppressed and taken advantage of. So also, do we show love when we violently stand against oppression. Often over looked by the emasculated bunch of Christians is our masculine duty of STANDING up for the oppressed, STANDING for the true Gospel!! Not! Defending murderers! rapists! or pedofiles! 1 Timothy 5:22. It is not a Christian’s job to defend a religious book criminals hide behind. It is our job to expose it! We are the salt of the world! Be men, my brothers! stand for what is right. If God be for us, who can stand against us? Timothy 5:22. It is OUR job to EXPEL the evil doers from our communities 1 Corinthians 5:13. If you dont stand up and claim your community Sharia Law will!

    • gust

      1 Timothy 5:22. Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure. 1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. I don’t know what you was quoting but it was not KJV of the Bible

  • Veroniqua

    Islam andits fake religion does not belong in western society! None of the followers deserve the opportunity. Moderate muslims are fence sitters having a bet each way and when it comes to the crunch they will side with Allah. Those people who cannot see the death and destruction they cause wherever they go need to open their eyes. Islam has to be banned in the west

    • 21st Century Pacifist

      Death and destruction? What? like the Atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Holocaust, the Inquisition and the Crusades? All fanatics in all religions are the same. They don’t see their adversaries as human. Watch out, you are expressing like one.

      • Juan José Rivera Díaz

        Another parrot with the old crap abot the “inquisition and the crusades”. Why don’t you read actual history books about those two things? The Spanish Inquisition didn’t kill anyone. They INVESTIGATED cases. The secular branch of the government carried out the sentences. And, in 500 years of Spanish Inquisition, 5,000 people were senteced to death. Very mild figure compared with the deadth toll the protestants had during the same period.

        And the crusades were a very shy and defensive military action to protect and take back the christian territories from muslim agressors.

      • RockyMissouri

        THANK YOU, FOR A BRILLIANT AND TRUTHFUL REMARK….!!

        We are on the same page, my friend.

      • Matthew O Stroben

        Are you senile? Luckily the rest of us can tell something is wrong with you. God bless you and thank you for fighting in the war.

        • 21st Century Pacifist

          I am done with you. When a person uses insult in a dialogue is because he doesn’t have an argument.

          • Matthew O Stroben

            Thank God! and for your information it means that the person your talking too just doesn’t get it, or doesn’t want to get it because of a personal agenda. I.E you don’t like christians, and seem to want to lump us with a culture of rapists and pedifiles.You haven’t listened to anyone or checked what they are talking about. A little research goes a long way to see if your adversary is right., Also a little wisdom to understand that it is actions and not words we see that makes us think they are not a religion of peace. A religion didn’t drop the Atomic bomb. It was a country.

          • mrcombi

            There it is, the nerve is struck, the truth hurts… You are senile… lmao

      • Matthew O Stroben

        Thats where you have your problem of understanding. Read up or shut up. Ignorance is only a crime when you try and share it.

      • Veroniqua

        Hate to tell you this, but I don’t believe in organised religion and church dogma. I think for myself and what i am seeing will be far more destructive than the above horrific events. I have nothing against peoples religions as long as they do not impose on other people. But just as the crusades came about when islam invaded the holy city we have a right to defend ourselves. Problem is Islam is a political ideology that hides behind religion. You also need to do your homework and open your eyes to world events and your heart to the truth, instead of your brain being clouded by past events and limited knowledge. I fear for my grandchildren and I want them to know that I stood up for what I believed in to protect them. You, my dear are starting to sound like a muslim and if you do not have a prayer mat, perhaps you should get one.

        • 21st Century Pacifist

          My dear Veroniqua. You are the one that is extremely ignorant about the world. Not only history, but also current events. Again, I an neither a Muslim not a Christian. I am a Humanist.
          Your example of the Crusades is very telling. If you had read its history, you would know that it was more a free for all in which there was more scrimmages between the Christian invaders and genocide than any defense of the “Holy City”.
          Congratulations on not believing in organized religion and church dogma, your next step will be in realizing that all religions are basically the same, and only a work of fiction. They do work for some, and that is good.
          You may want to peruse “The God Delusion”, it brings up very logical facts that put religion in its proper place.

          • Veroniqua

            Why? My beliefs relate to my own personal experiences, not what someone else has told me. I guess when you are blind as a child you actually see things that other people don’t see and know things that you cannot believe other people are ignorant of. I am a free thinker and noone tells me what to think. However i have done my homework on Islam and I think it is the most dangerous disease that ever infested this planet. You are entitled to your limited vision and I am entitled to finally realise that all the years I tried to be “normal”, that there is no such thing and it was not me who had the problem. The really sad thing is that we are being forced to live a lie because we can no longer speak our truth. Because appeasers such as yourself will bring about the end of the world as we know it for their own social or political reasons or their moment of glory!

      • Thomas Brown

        false equivalence

    • RockyMissouri

      BALDERDASH! You embarrass yourself with such drivel…!! What a hateful ignorant remark…and I come from a pretty backward place…!!

      • Veroniqua

        Not in the least Rocky. When did the truth become the new hate speech? Do your homework from the real history of Islam, the real aims of Mohammod and the real instructions in the Q’ran. Why do you think they continue to demand that no-one speaks ill of Islam. You may not see it there but it is happening by stealth all over the world and horrific acts of violence are being committed in countries where Islam has gained the majority, like Syria. Some muslims are lovely people, but they are more afraid of the hellfire than they are of you.

      • mrcombi

        You’re an empty vessel…

  • RGZ_50

    Pastor McConnell is correct in his understanding of Islam and Allah. Allah is an ancient tribal god which came to Medina and Mecca via Syria. Allah was the moon god – one of many Arab deities. Certainly Allah has no history other than that of the chief god of the hundreds of pagan idols that Arabs worshiped. There is no common thread between Islam and Christianity.

    • 21st Century Pacifist

      What you just said applies equally to Christianity. Man invented God to explain physical phenomena; therefore all organized religions are the same (with some tweaks and cuts). Today it seems to me it is childish and irrational to adhere to these religions since we have found answers to most physical phenomena, it is called science. Live a little and read “The God Delusion”. It may “enlighten” you.

      • Triarius

        Whie I agree with you, you people are reason I am a self-hating atheist. You mock Christians and Christianity, but let’s see you mock Islam and point and laugh at them when they come out of their mosque.

        99.9% are complete hypocrits. I, thankfully, am not.

    • RockyMissouri

      Jeez…. You mean, like ABRAHAM……..?? The one dude that THREE RELIGIONS HAVE AS AN ANCESTOR IN COMMON……??

  • Jeff Smith

    The globalist politicians that force foreign cultures onto our western cultures are the true haters. They hate Christianity, and white western European culture and they want to destroy it.
    The big lie is that we as Europeans fighting to defend our culture, heritage, and religion are the haters.

  • 21st Century Pacifist

    Fanatics in all religions use an imaginary super being to justify their petty racism and xenophobia. Fortunately there are believers that can see through the fog. We are all the same under the skin as Ramsay Snow can attest.
    I can see the hate in some of the comments that some so called “Christians” have added below. Thank god I am an Atheist 😉

    • Dato-Ken D’royal-Monarch

      U are a fool and must be very sick in the head.. Visit ur doctor for rehabilitation.. Atheist does not believe in God.. And then u also turn to say “Thank GOD u are an Atheist” hahaha u are really so sick #..
      21st_Century_Pacific

      • 21st Century Pacifist

        When a person resorts to insult in a conversation, it is because he doesn’t have any arguments. Learn how to dialogue or keep your petty ideas to yourself.

        • Thomas Brown

          your rhetoric is insulting. you entire MO consists of not discussing anything, but instead opening your canned ham answers and serving them up and calling it conversation.

    • RockyMissouri

      An honorable comment.! Thank you.

    • DenisetheCelt

      Drop dead traitor.

      • 21st Century Pacifist

        How old are you? 13? Wow, that was a witty comeback. Maybe you can change and when you grow up you may have a great life.

  • Jean Henri Laprime

    This is a reflection of what happens to Christians every day in the Middle East, Pakistan and other Islamic “paradises of tolerance” . Good start!

  • Mattias Fäldt

    sweet

  • Aaron

    It’s terrible that innocent people were attacked, yet I wonder how much concern or sympathy they ever had for the many thousands of recent victims of their faith.

    • dillinger

      There is more to this story.
      The Police had been informed about the activities of these men and did not act. Thus the community took action.

  • J P Sundharam

    Maybe the spokesperson for Church should know what Christ also said: I am sending you out like sheep with wolves all around you. Be wise like snakes and gentle like doves. But look out for men. They will take you up to their courts and they will hurt you in their places of worship. [Matthew 10:16-17]

    Does it give the impression that Jesus wanted Christians to be deaf, dumb, blind and not use their brains?

  • forumking

    Could you Please tell me why did you call Allah a Diety if u do not believe me. Thank God(ALLAH) that even in your angry and drunk state you called Allah by its true rank. He is the only God and with regards to the fact about his strict relationship with his people which you call cruelness he is 70 times more loving than a believers mother so he is also 70 times strict. You probably think he is cruel because christianity says all sins of mankind will be forgiven because jesus died on the cross so your religion says hitler will be forgiven for his crimes, gengez khan and other kings and directors will be forgiven because of somebody else’s death on the cross which is cruel. Sadly for you and Right guidance for us Allah says in the Quran and through hadees of Rasool Allah that when it comes to hukook e libad i will not forgive until the person forgives and when it comes to hukook Allah i will forgive if someone repents before his time of death.

    • jules2u

      You may wish to do your research, because you are wrong on your points. No where does it state that all will be forgiven, it states all who come to the Father through the Son, which mean those who ask to be forgiven, will be forgiven. I am sorry that someone appears to have misinformed you about the reality of the Christian beliefs.

      • 21st Century Pacifist

        Quoting fantasy does not win arguments. Do you also believe in the boogie man?

        • Thomas Brown

          you are awfully militant when it comes to imposing your views on others.

          • 21st Century Pacifist

            Imposing my views? I can’t impose anything on any one. I express my views based on my ample knowledge and mental capacity. If you can’t keep up, maybe you should find out more about the subject.
            Will you right wingers ever learn that a discussion is about ideas and not about people? Tell me why I am wrong, don’t talk about what you thing I am.

  • Dublin lad

    Why is the picture of a Dublin Mosque which has been there for over 20years and is in Southern Ireland where as the news is about trouble in Northern Ireland which is in the UK ?

    • Raymond of Canada

      Makes for good visuals! It doesn’t have to be true. Just like: how many Muslims have fled since this sermon. Give me a break!

    • jkubin

      Dublin Mosque is a mosque on the South Circular Road, Dublin in Ireland. It is the headquarters of the Islamic Foundation of Ireland. (Wikipedia)

  • Rich Holland

    The common mistake most people make is treating Islam like a religion, it certainly is not, it is a totalitarian form of government with a radical religious component. This is precisely how muslims infiltrate nations and slowly take over, eventually imposing Shariah Law, the end game for them.

  • Raymond of Canada

    Can anyone confirm to me whether extra flights or boats have been put in place to accommodate “fleeing” Muslims?

  • jules2u

    Sounds like it is time England starts doing something about that situation

  • Edward_Teach

    How will Ireland benefit from letting these people in? Will they make Ireland a better country? Will they make life better for the irish people? What do they have to offer Ireland and her people? The answer to these questions should always be factored in when making a decision on who Ireland or any country allows within their borders.

    Think about this subject like this, if a company accepted anyone who applied how would the company benefit from hiring the unqualified? They wouldn’t, they would fall behind all of their competitors,profits would fall, stock holders would lose and the qualified workers would suffer as well as the company fell into ruin, only the unqualified worker would benefit. Countries must act like companies or they and their people will lose, after all a country is it’s people. Wake up Ireland you have nothing to gain but everything to lose.

  • LiveByTheRulesInTheCountry

    Finally some nation in Europe is showing respect to their own culture!

  • DaveMed

    Good. They are not welcome in our countries.

    We will make this known – one way or another.

    • DenisetheCelt

      By NY mend necessary. Considering the way Mohammedans behave – ANYTHING is self defense.

  • DenisetheCelt

    Thank GOD There are loads of Islamic countries. Go to THEM,

    • 21st Century Pacifist

      With the hatred that you have shown in this forum, it is very charitable that ANY country would claim you. But you can change….

      • Thomas Brown

        you’re getting a little anti-pacifist in your efforts to make everyone think like you do. wake up, and stop defending islam

  • 21st Century Pacifist

    Never realized that such hateful racism and xenophobia existed in Northern Ireland. Have they reverted back to the dark ages? Remind me never to visit or buy anything from such a place.

    • MarxistMangler

      Mohammedans are still in the ‘dark ages’ and bring the ‘dark ages’ wherever they trespass and breed.

      • 21st Century Pacifist

        Are they trespassing on others’ rights? If they only apply these principles to those that accept them, let them do it. Only when they violate the laws and morals (not religion) of where they live, should they be found at fault.
        I know of people that go bunkers when they see a Muslim pray in a public or semi public place. It is their right as a human being to do so.

    • RockyMissouri

      Shocking, isn’t it…?? I have ALL OF THESE PEOPLE in my ancestry….and I respect and honor them all.. And when I see that they are bullies and fools, I will call them out over it.

      There were terrible wars of religion fought in Europe THROUGHOUT THEIR HISTORY…is this all their descendants have learned from that….?? Have we learned NOTHING…??

      My country is no better… We have the Christian bullies over here, too….acting like they are supreme….forgetting that we fought a war over owning human beings! Now, we act like fools….but not all.

      • DenisetheCelt

        Race traitor vermin. Go to Saudi Arabia you depraved TRASH.

        • RockyMissouri

          Nice manners you have, child. You shame your ancestors.

      • 21st Century Pacifist

        We can only hope that our compatriots drop their fear and start using their intellect. We are really all the same and worth redemption (not the religious kind).

    • DenisetheCelt

      Good. Ireland is much better without twisted vermin like you.

      • 21st Century Pacifist

        Those that don’t have an argument resort to insult. Before you type your hateful poison in any forum, learn to discuss. The trick is to be objective, look it up.

    • Triarius

      Never saw such hateful racism and xenophobia? Apparently you have never been to Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Iran, etc. where it is not only against the law to be a non-muslim, but also and atheist.

      • 21st Century Pacifist

        You also have to read better. I said that I never expected this racist and xenophobic behavior in Northern Ireland. I have met people from Northern Ireland before and believed it was a civilized Western country.
        Theocracies or would be theocracies are not civilized in my book.

        • Triarius

          Than your argument is invalid in reference to the debate you are trying to make.

        • Triarius

          So where do you expect it?

    • Xiva

      How could you not know that they are Protestants run by the Brits and they hate any religion that’s not their own? Especially one that promotes killing in the name of a “god”. Do your research, look it up!

  • jkubin

    It is the position of the Communities that hate, violence and intolerance is simply not accepted. I will be deleting comments of that nature from this thread and if necessary blacklisting. You can express your thoughts/feelings without the hate. You can be pro or anti anything, without the hate.

    • RockyMissouri

      Well said!

    • Chris Granzow XI

      Maybe you should spend more time verifying the accuracy of what you report. There have been no riots or physical attacks. The pastor gave a speech that condemned islam. That’s it. Everything else is fabricated.

  • jkubin

    Let’s not invoke Hitler in any positive light.

  • Olivia Blackmoore

    It is a start. Let us hope that it continues.

  • moriah steiner

    Ask the Maronite Christians in Lebanon and the Coptic Christians in Egypt if they wish they has kicked out the Muslims when they came to their countries..

  • MarxistMangler

    Keep fleeing, all the way back to Mohammedan lands.

  • John Johnson

    Just a bogus report, sadly enough. Only ‘some’ are ‘considering’ it. In the end, none will leave, mark my words. It’s always the same.

    • DenisetheCelt

      They need to be given reasons to leave.

      • Guest

        I encourage ‘reasoning’ with them alright.

        • John Johnson

          Time for screenshots. What’s your angle here, first putting my original comment in ‘moderation’ mode and then re-quoting a message I deleted?

          • discuss is unmanned, every so many comments in a thread goes into moderation. As for the requote, not sure about that. Who requoted you?

          • John Johnson

            LOL the ‘system’ did, and now it’s awaiting moderation of itself. LOL.

  • RockyMissouri

    Have the Protestants and Catholics found someone they can BOTH bully…..??? Shame to waste your time being bigots… Shameful, in fact.

    Show your children how to be decent adults.

  • RockyMissouri

    What would that cause be….?

    • Matthew O Stroben

      lol. yea… No crazies please. not meaning you Rocky

  • FallenAngelofDoom

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out! LOL

  • Peter

    So True, WAKE UP western world !!!

  • Bill Veris

    Why should we have sympathy on these Muslims? Look at the wars in Sudan and Nigeria? The no-go areas in France.

    Christians get killed by Muslims all the time in Middle Eastern Muslim countries!

    Why can’t Muslims live in Muslim countries?

  • Bill Veris

    Well vote for racially aware parties like UKIP. Stand up against Muslims and be a proud Englishman!

    • Proofteller

      UKIP are not racially aware and expel anyone from the party that is. They are too PC and must stop bowing down to the establishment when members speak out.

  • John Eric Dous

    How are Christians, Jews, Hindus, and other faiths (not even mentioning Atheists because non-believers are now considered terrorists) treated when they go to a country like Saudi Arabia, Iran, or any other Islamic state that follows sharia law? In Saudi Arabia you cannot wear a symbol of your faith, or carry a religious book unless it is a quran. You cannot go to certain areas of the country unless you are a muslim. In Iran, Egypt, Indonesia, and other islamic countries, practice your faith at your own risk because you, your Priest, Rabbi, or other spiritual leader might be beaten, or murdered by the friendly neighborhood peace loving muslim mob who are just following what “Big Mo” taught them as to how to treat others of different faiths. Then of course you will have your House of Worship desecrated, and burned to the ground. Please stop trying to play the race card. Islam is NOT a race. It is a religion of hate, slavery, and pedophilia.

  • Kevin Hack

    These rodents should be driven out of every part of Europe!

  • SupportMcCarthyism

    The vatican has declared more than once that the god of the vatican and the god of islam is one and the same. Even Bush repeated their statement. Prove that the vatican has nothing to do with Christianity. The best thing any country can do it kick the muslims out and send them back to their own countries.

  • boobio

    Good news for once.

  • MuslimsCanLiveTheirOwnCountrie

    Think about this: muslims doesn’t even tolerate themselves. Why would someone even think they would tolerate civilized laws of western countries? Turning western civilizations to muslim versions is totally unacceptable.

  • Proofteller

    Islam and Western Civilisation are obviously incompatible. Only the mentally deranged or those with a hidden political agenda think otherwise.

  • Raymond of Canada

    What’s the chances that once the news got out about this pastor’s sermon, some Muslims got together and planted some attacks to perpetuate their victim status? All quite possible with the way Islam works.

  • WhiteRabbit

    Canada is 64% Racist and 36% Diverse.
    Australia is 69% Racist and 31% Diverse.
    Europe is 82% Racist and 18% Diverse.
    The U.S. is 62% Racist and 38% Diverse.

    END RACISM NOW!!!
    WE NEED MORE DIVERSITY!!!

    – Anti-racist logic
    It’s White Genocide.

    “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white.

    • xiva

      its not just whites that are racists!

  • 21st Century Pacifist

    The only reason Europe didn’t have to start from zero during the renaissance is because the ARABS had kept up culturally and had influence Western Europe during their dominance of Spain. Of course they had an influence, a positive one. History of the world would help you understand this.

    • Triarius

      Not even close to being true. Almost all of it came from the Roman Empire and Greek city-states. When Roma Occidental fell the Frankish Carolingian dynasty and Italian city-states kept it going, that is when the renaissance happened in ITALY. And as for Roma Orientalis, aka Byzantium, they held firm for another millenium. The only technology that came from the Mulsim middle east was little more than jerry-rigged Roman technology, and inferior at that.

      Even today we cannot recreate Roman concrete, it’s that good.

      Note: this post of mine was edited by Fascsists.

      • 21st Century Pacifist

        The concrete today is far better than the one that the Romans developed. It was a great deed technologically. It is my advantage that I have taken several materials courses as an engineer.
        You are forgetting the 500 years that Europe went through after the demise of the Roman empire. The Arabs were the only ones that kept science and culture going through this period. They developed things like our numeric system and Algebra as well as advances in cosmology and metallurgy.
        During the dark ages, Europeans were stagnant due to the Christian religion that believed that the world couldn’t change as it was the will of God.
        By the beginning of the Renaissance, Spain was poised to take over the lead in Europe due to the influence of the Moors that had been there for almost 800 years. Spain was predominant during the XVI century.
        You are not even close.

        • Triarius

          Modern concrete is not better than Roman concrete, not a single archaeologist or real engineer will argue it. Roman concrete lasts 2000+ years, modern concrete a few hundred, it is common knowledge. Muslims did not preserve Roman culture, Byzantium did. The numeric system came from non-muslim northern India. And algebra is ancient Greek. Look at the names of algebraic theorums, Pythagorean, Zeno, etc. Spain was never poised to lead the Renaissance, source? The Renaissance was not some agreed upon continental-wide movement, it was organic and natural. Most attribute it to the fall of Constantinople when Genovese sailors brought back ancient Greek and Roman art to Italy. You may argue politics with the likes of others, but I read Goldsworthy for fun.

          • 21st Century Pacifist

            Well I guess “common knowledge” is better than what we learned as engineers. You are wrong about concrete. It is funny how people believe in these legends.
            Muslims preserved Classic culture and knowledge not the savage Europeans that would poop and piss in the halls of their own homes even the rich all during the same era..
            Do you know the difference between geometry and algebra? Do you self a favor and Google Al Gabr.
            Check out what country was the most powerful in the XVI century and read why.
            You don’t have the slightest ideas what you are talking about. Ignorance is bold.

        • Triarius

          What hapened to my reply of this with Greek Algebraic theorums, proof of Roman technology, and historical accounts of the Renaissance?

          You think this is a place to exchange ideas? What a joke. How Newspeak of you.

        • Triarius

          Again, what a joke. You took engineering classes and they said modern concrete is better than Roman? Name these “professors” that think this. I could use a laugh. Not an issue, I’m sure this response will be deleted by the ThoughtPolice again, even if you only use facts and not dderogatory statements. The truth is harmful, yes?

          Edit: after they knew I copied my messages they re-posted them. Hallelujah!

        • RockyMissouri

          Even the name for Algebra, Al – jabr, reveals its Arabic roots.

          • Triarius

            The word Algebra is a Greek bastdardization of Greek thought, more than likely from Alexandria. Of course if you have evidence to prove this I assure you a documentary.

            Edit: apparently you did not reply in time to where I showed the ancient Greek theorums of Pythagoras and Zeno, amongst others. Pray you read it before the fascists delete it.

        • Triarius

          And again for the third time, my post was deleted. Even after I showed proof of what I said. Roman concrete cannot be recreated, even with modern technology. And the fact that numerals came from non-islam Northern India.

          You almost done having your cronies deleting my posts?

    • RockyMissouri

      And how the Spanish loved those Islamic architects… They left a legacy of incredible architectural beauty..

      • Triarius

        You mean Roman architecture? Do you even know what the Blue Mosque is based off of?

        • RockyMissouri

          No. I mean Moorish architecture.. One beautiful specimen is the Alhambra … The Blue Mosque was inspired by the Hagia Sophia, which was built much earlier. They are world treasures….as precious as any.

          You seem to have a particular grudge against Muslims …. It’s not a very healthy way to spend your time.

          • Triarius

            It’s Andalusian (Vandal) art with Byzantine influence of architecture, hence the domes. Apparently you are the one unsure.

            Spare me your personal opinions, you’re just loosing the debate (and badly) so you resort to attack on my character. Typical lib. Now I believe this is where you call me a Nazi and tell me to go watch Fox news even though I do not believe in Socialism nor do I have cable.

  • 21st Century Pacifist

    All Gods are false; therefore, all believers should be nuked? What have Muslims done to you?
    Do you realize you are talking like a genocidal maniac? Maybe you are just drunk or high on something. (Or just kidding?)

  • Nokoolade

    The pastor should be commended for his words and those who are causing muslims to leave Ireland should be commended for a job well done. Makea me want to toast them with a shot of Irish whisky and do an Irish jig.

  • Richard Adams

    Many of you have failed to understand the manipulation going on within this article. There is no direct correlation between the pastor’s sermon and the attack at this home. How many other assaults took place that day and were they only against muslims or non-Christians? Where the alleged perpetrators even members of that church and if so had they attended the service to hear the pastor’s remarks?
    Rahat Husain, an advocate for shia muslim issues, is the author of this article. He lives in Washington DC and there is no indication that he traveled to Belfast to interview anyone regarding this article.
    Just look at these terms:
    muslim family – no indication of how many members in this family nor ages.
    crazed rioters – how many rioters, what were they rioting against, whom were they rioting?
    home invasion – anything stolen? any other muslims live in area? drugs, money?
    hate crime
    hate mongering
    racist attacks
    All I’m saying is that the author has left out many important facts, is using manipulative wording, and has a pro-muslim agenda to begin with.

  • Paul Crittenden

    Here’s the thing. When Muslims decided to leave their sandboxes, they should have forwarded their watches by, oh, about 1400 years. Sharia law and pacifist Presidents are leading to revolts by those who are forced to “tolerate” them.

  • Steve Ellis

    Do unto others, BEFORE THEY DO UNTO YOU! Fools! Don’t you understand? Jesus wants you to spread the love. The followers of the Koran, say “be Muslim or die!” Just as the Christians did to the world during the inquisitions.

  • Veroniqua

    I simply cannot believe how stupid and ignorant people are. This is not about me. It is about my grandfather who fought in France in WWI to keep us free and my grandchildren who are going to lose that freedom because of Glory Seekers, do gooders and socialists. Islam did not exist until Mohammod sought to be worshipped like Jesus and took up the role of the Anti Christ in the 7th century. Every bit of land they control was conquered and its people were forced to convert, become slaves or get their heads chopped off! Unlike Jesus, Mohammod was a slave trader, murderer and a thief and unlike the bible, the q’ran instructed muslims to kill non muslims and force Islam on the world. The crusades were fought to protect the Holy Land and The Islamic invasion continued in a much more subtle manner until the discovery of oil. It appears that petro dollars can buy the soul of many leaders including religious and political. So the plan to re-establish the caliphate was plotted and implemented over many years. Everywhere there is trouble and war is Islam trying to take final control, and the bid to take the west from within follows the same old plot in each country. There have been 25,000 acts of terrorism since 9/11without the violence rapes and honour killings occuring in western countries. Islam uses religion to its advantage, but in fact is only a small part of their belief systems. It is a totalitarian political ideology that controls everything including state, defence, finance, law, religion and personal, down to sitting to pee and how to wipe your bum! It is an obsessive belief that controls peoples lives and does not make them responsible for their own actions. It is a plague that needs to be wiped out before it destroys the planet for they are obsessed with a depraved afterlife.

  • JimD

    Muslims in their own countries or countries where they have become the majority are almost always the aggressors. They do not believe in freedom or liberties. In France young muslim boys were throwing rocks at people leaving church. And the media covers for them all the time!

  • MoBetter2

    I am amazed that any self-respecting Irishman would allow the Muslimes to establish themselves in Ireland – every last Muzzrat ought to be run out of the country on the business end of a pitchfork!

  • Erin Ahmed

    He did not say muslims are bad, he said the teachings of Islam are. It’s far from being a hate crime to object to the teachings of another religion, cult or ideology. I was married to a muslim and lived in that culture for eight years and I can tell you from first hand experience he spoke the truth. The god of Islam and the God of Christianity are not the same god no matter how you spin it. Allah is the antithesis of the Christian God. One teaches hate the other teaches love, there is nothing the same about them. Does that mean it is ok to commit violent acts against someone just because they are muslim? Absolutely not, especially if you are a Christian. Unprovoked violence is never ok and what happened to these people was absolutely wrong. The behavior of those that did this was no different than that which they themselves are opposed to. They literally became what they hate.

    Islam is not a religion, it is an ideology with its own social, political and judicial system. It is a plague that is spreading faster than the ‘Black Death’ did. It needs to be recognized for what it really is and stopped. Ban, deport, whatever works. I’m not a fan of Putin but he made the right call when he told the muslims to take a hike back to where they came from if they don’t like the way Russians live and do things. As for so called moderate muslims, if any actually exist, as long as they do not stand up and condemn the atrocities being committed in the name of Islam, then they are complicit as well.

    • livnletliv

      Actions speak louder than words, they have now taken a hike.

  • Barbara Gerhard

    I don’t believe they were christians i tend to believe they were muslim infiltraiters who used the pastor’s sermon to then do this and try to put the blame on the christians they do this as well they pretend to be christians and then do even attacks on their own people, this is one of the deceptions muslims practise, either that or the family who claims this is lying wich is entirely possible, because in muslim countries they falsely accuse christians of blasphemy and all sorts of things. to cause trouble for them,

    I don’t believe a thing muslims say, and they are the ones who do these things, they will even attack one another to make it look like non muslims have done things to them.

    The pastor was right Allah is the devil and muslims are his followers,
    They make it hell on earth for their women and then its hell in the afterlife for them if they reject Jesus till they die.

    Muslims need to reject Islam and repent of their sins and accept Jesus as their saviour and Lord just like everyone else, befor its too late.

    Jesus said that we would know what someone is like by their fruits He said “a bad tree cannot produce good fruit, neither can a good tree produce bad fruit.

    The Bible says “Believe on the lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved”.

  • Mauricio Carvallan

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  • Guest01

    Wow people are so good at judging rather using their brains. If any of you are scholars of the bible or the quran then please comment with references otherwise you have no proof for what you say.. they are just opinions and it will be better not to take them as facts.

    • marquita620

      I’m an American. The muslim’s are the greatest danger to all countries on this planet. They must be stopped!!!!

  • Michael MacConnell

    Good.

  • Samatha

    Good for the Irish, God Bless them all…..

  • Jemma

    Good riddance to them they don’t belong in our country

  • Schpenauers Hundt

    Ulstermen see what is happening in England and they will not let it happen in Ulster. They have one response to perceived threats ‘No Surrender”

  • Mark Peters

    congratulations to northern ireland….no political correctness, no distorted multiculturalism, no hypocritical liberal compassion….

  • Christian Knight

    Muslim role playing as the victim: When placed under scrutiny or criminal investigation, ( even when there is overwhelming, irrefutable evidence of guilt or complicity), the Taqiyya-tactician will quickly attempt to counter the allegation by resorting to the claim that it is, in fact the accused who are the victims.. Victims of Islamophobia, racism, religious discrimination and intolerance.. Currently this is the most commonly encountered form of distraction… Defence by Offence..

  • Chris

    Good job. Teach them how to respect the people of the land.

  • Greg Reinhardt

    Maybe the Irish don’t want to make the same mistakes that the English did when they allowed these violent invaders to settle there, and are in the process of taking over and replacing the native English in their own land. Good job, Irish! For your daughters sake, send the Third World packing!!!

  • krell51

    Does me ancient Irish ancester’s proud!

  • The Shadow

    Excellent work northern Ireland. Congratulations for not flushing yourself down the Islamic toilet like the rest of Europe. You’ve set a great example, now hopefully others will follow!

  • jon

    face it…..the evil koran says kill ALL who are not muslims….it is their creed….ALL OF THEM!!!! IT IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE!!!! SUNNI OR SHEITE!!!! IT DOESENT MATTER!!!! THEIR GOAL ON EARTH IS TO KILL YOU!!!! YOU!!!! AND YOUR FAMILY!!!! THAT IS WHAT THEY LIVE FOR!!!!

  • JN

    @Rahat Husain
    Belfast is the capitol city of Northern Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom, (Great Britain), where this incident happened. The photo is of a mosque in Dublin which is the capital of the Republic of Ireland an entirely different state. Cough..I think you need a few lessons in geography.

  • Ernie Combs

    It seems as if the Presbyterian minister fails to remember his church removing pages from the scriptures……..to be more socially adaptable.

  • James Wesley Jr

    PLEASE RE-POST PLEASE RE-POST

    This is so ridiculous it’s disgusting…the biggest oxymoron is “moderate Muslims”…forget all of this wishful thinking about “peacefully coexisting ” with a “SYSTEM”..that for the last 1400 yrs has by it own TENANTS been in a constant state of war with the NON-MUSLIM world. I would compare the “MODERATE MUSLIM COMMUNITY” in this country to a “BABY BURMESE PYTHON”…(an invasive species). it eats rodents,rabbits, and other small prey species…until it grows to say 20 feet then it will “EAT WHATEVER IT WANTS” INCLUDING FULL GROWN FLORIDA ALLIGATOR 10 FEET LONG AND 500 LBS. THIS SOCIAL SYSTEM CALLED “ISLAM” IS A PREDATORY CULTURE, THAT HAS UP UNTIL THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, KEPT A “low profile” NOW THEY HAVE BECOME BOLD AND INCREASINGLY AGGRESSIVE. THEIR MOSQUES ARE BREEDING GROUNDS FOR JIHAD.THE VARIOUS “CAMPS” AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE “CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGERS” TO OUR CULTURE AND SOCIETY IN GENERAL. DON’T COMPARE OKLAHOMA CITY TO THE “ABOMINATION” THIS “SYSTEM” IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVER 7000 AMERICAN DEATHS ON THIS CONTINENT SINCE 9/11. ALL IN THE NAME OF ALLAH”??? These animals!! They are the results of centurys of INBREEDING AND INCEST….PSYCHOPATHS,DEVIANTS,ANIMALS…. expect you to feel sorry for them when the righteous counter attack falls upon them??? They show no mercy for anyone from infants to the aged,male or female…no respect for other cultures or religions…brutal,demonic scourge.Some are saying “be careful not to sterotype muslims/Islam” and the national group that represents the muslims (C.A.R.E) in the U.S. are saying they denounce such a horrible act (of course they would)…”TAQIYYA”(anything is justifiable if it advances the cause of ISLAM INCLUDING LIEING) the “TENANTS’ of Islam is “SELF DESCRIBING”…when in the “MINORITY” very meek and gentle but “actively and subtly”…like a “PARASITE” subvert,and impose the malignancy of “Shari Law” on the “HOST NATION” while playing the poor persecuted victim in the processTHEY ARE ABLE TO HIDE IN PLAIN SIGHT BECAUSE THEIR COMMUNITIES WILL NOT CHALLENGE THE LOCAL IMAM OR RADICALS IN THEIR MIDST. THEIR CONTRIBUTION HAS BEEN TO “DESTABILIZE” OUR NATION AND CHANGE HOW WE LIVE DAY TO DAY. S E L A H

  • NHPatriot1776

    Ireland has sme balls and knows what will happen if the cancer called Islam gets a foothold. Britain is almost lost unless the people get a backbone and kick the Islamic people back to their own countries. You want to live by Sharia, go back to Saudi Arabia. They do not want to live by host countries laws, they want to take over.

  • Tracey

    Finally they are getting back their own medicine. Glad Ireland is not going to allow this religion of hate to take over like in the UK. How many dogs/cats/ being tortured/women being gang raped etc… its about time to fight fire with fire.

  • Ubwart

    Yes. The Irish, me being part Irish, are hell raisers. Islam should be outlawed.

  • Country

    The Quran reads,” If you meet an infidel (non muslim) and cant convert them cut off their head!” That is their religion. Their religion commands them to do that, What is so hard to figure out. Why is that not discussed?

    • Call-in

      That is not discussed Country, because the media are yellow streaked COWARDS who are afraid of offending the MU-SLIMES, yet they will take God’s name in vain in an instant.

  • DefenderO’Christ

    I THINK YOU SHOULD ALL READ QURAN 3:28!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! IF YOU CONTINUE TO IGNORE THE SIGNS WE WILL LOSE.There is NO example in human history where muslims and Christians can live in peace! MUSLIMS HAVE A PR MACHINE IN TOP GEAR RIGHT NOW! DON’T BE SO NAIVE YOU’RE LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!!!! Muslims are TOLD to deceive, its written right in the quran 3:28. I didnt make it up!

  • Israeli model

    Oh, the irony. Europ did worse than NOTHING to help us (Israel) against the terror. And now… well.
    Dont get me wrong, I dont wish what happens to us for anyone. But.. you kinda had it coming.

    Dont you worry, we’ll be here yalling ‘genocide’ whenever you’ll attempt to fight back. 🙂

  • Anonymous

    There are several sick Muslim Extremists that try manipulate Catholics and Christians in Waterford Ireland into joining them by following them & threatening them with knifes & attempt to steal their identities for terrorist activities.

    List of some Muslim Extremists at Viking House Waterford City are as follows:

    Ahmed Shinwari
    Adel Boussaboune
    Muhammad Same El Mahmood

    Mustafa muhadas
    Muhammad Arif Hussain

    I believe that some one should put them in the place they belong.

    These Muslim Extremists work closely with the Black community of the Dublin, killarney & Waterford Refugee Centers to manipulate , Stalk , harass & bully the Catholic and Christian people of Ireland to gain power.

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  • Robin

    I am a Traditional Catholic…one that many even in the Catholic Church would call an extremist…but I value my gift of life from God too much to take my own life, to blow anyone else up. History tells us that Islam has exported acts of terror for over 1,400+ years…all over the world. Nothing else that is known as a faith has done so. It is my opinion that Islam is not compatible with life. The current persecution in the middle east ,raping, killing, pillaging, in my opinion is a continuation of the Crusades.

  • Badger

    When did they move Dublin to the north then? 😉

    • Call-in

      The media are ignorant of the geography of the island.

  • Anne Mallin

    I was looking at a book at a wonderful , sweet Muslim’s family home. They had a ” Beginning book” for their little girl to learn Muslim.

    I couldn’t believe the first page said that Adam was the first man alive. It said that everything good comes from God, it didn’t say Allah !
    They said in her little book to give God, our Lord, all the glory and thank him all the time for everyone and everything he gives us.
    Love is what Christ preached in every street to every person. He said Love is all. Not religious people.
    Don’t judge people , and read Christ’s words. Jesus said if someone hurts you , give prayers to Jesus and kindness to all. Revenge is mine said the Lord God, not our job.
    Jesus said it is easy to love those who are nice to you (I paraphrase), but also to love the unlovable.
    Read exactly what Jesus said in the book of John especially. The four gospels all say Love is the most importan thing.
    Please put the Lord God and Jesus first and do as he said – to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
    WE aren’t his he said unless we DO what his words ask us to do.
    It isn’t always easy, but we are supposed to be Jesus’ ambassadors so people see Jesus in us and want to know Him too.
    It is so easy to love and be nice because it’s natural. Like when you hold a little baby – love the children who will come to Him through your love and kindness.

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  • Call-in

    So if this article is about the muslims in NORTHERN Ireland, WHY are you showing the DUBLIN Mosque? Do you not know your geography????????

  • David Donovan

    LEAVE IT TO THE IRISH TO DEAL WITH THIS EVIL.

  • Rob Silvertree

    Lesson to learn for Muslims who have invaded countries where they are not welcome. I have nothing against Muslims, but not here, not in the west.

  • chhota_raavan

    Good for them! Bloody PIGS

  • Mike123456789123456789

    The problem is muslim’s refuse to police themselves. People might start to believe them being the religion of peace if they would stop killing innocents. They condone the beheading of Christian children. Any one who has been to their countrys will tell you how they treat nonmuslims, so I don’t feel sorry for them.

  • suechurch

    Did the Muslims build the mosque in the picture? Because it sure looks like an old Christian church to me. There’s your problem, Europe: Get back to God before it’s too late.

  • Kathy Thomas

    The Irish always git’ er’ done.

  • Rod Tod

    They all need to go home and the world needs to isolate all of them to the sandlot until they learn to NOT slit little girls throats because the parents are Christians.

  • holygoat

    Expect to see more of this as Muslim extremists like Hamas and ISIS continue their massacre of anyone who refuses to submit to their form of Islam. The truth is that other Muslims could stop this insanity by loudly and forcefully denouncing the actions and leaders of the Islamo-fascist movements, yet they have to this point remained silent. At a certain point, silence is understood to be acceptance. Moderate Muslims, if such a people exist, are the only people who can stop a coming worldwide war against ALL of Islam, but the longer they remain silent, the more and more they will be seen as supporters of the extremists.

  • Lane Cobble

    Islam is foul, and therefore so are the Muslims that pledge allegiance to its pedophile founder and warmongering holy book. It’s time ALL adult Muslims are held responsible for their disgusting culture. GET OUT OF OUR NATIONS. You were never welcome here, our corrupt and soulless politicians let you in. Huge mistake, on we’re going to correct, no matter how many heads we have to bash in.

  • King Richard the Lionheart

    IMHO, Presbyterian pastor, Rob Craig, is off his nutter! He fails to mention how most all of the followers of the cult of Islam have believed for a one thousand years that ANYONE not willing to convert to Islam (by absolute coercion mind you) are Infidels and only worthy of death!!!! Islam IS NOT a valid or authentic RELIGION. It is a CULTIC organization hellbent on the total destruction and decimation of any and all who oppose their beliefs and in the institution of Sharia Law on everyone. I stand with Pastor McConnell and the First Minister and am diametrically opposed to Muslims, Islam, and their desire for world domination through the formation of a Caliphate to control all. Frankly, they come to my door I will indeed refuse them entry. If they force themselves and their cult on me and my family they won’t live long enough to tell the tale.

  • Pugharley

    Ceart ar, Éire

  • sujeet11dec

    Hey Guys

    Hope all doing just wanted to know about veg and non-veg meaning
    and also meaning of hate love respect

    Please describe it i hope there are lot of ideological people ..

    Sujeet

  • sujeet11dec

    OK by feeling and thought i am anti muslim

    Although i have 100 plus reason .

    Muslim are those evil people who dont have mind and heart they are dumb and non ideological people
    They are blood-shed lover
    Islam never teaches love affection and respect and even all good thing

    What Islam teaches you is blood-shed of human and animals

  • chrissie

    Maybe our politicians take heed and avoid such transgressions by reasonable immigration policies in Germany, won’t they?

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  • Joseph Matovich

    Search on line for the two faces of Islam. then see what you think of the religion of peace.

  • Charlee

    RockyMissouri you are wrong there, the ‘jesus’ in the quran is not Jesus Christ.

  • Arbeideren

    Pastor James McConnell is telling the truth about islam, a rare commodity these days.

  • Aryan_Pride

    take back your country please

  • Shaniqua

    You mean what they are doing in their countries to others is happening to them in other countries now?
    Karma sucks.

  • Jack Smith

    Yes! Europe’s waking up. Go on my Irish brethren!

  • burnout02urza .

    Islam will never, ever be our way.

    It’s time to accept this, and rid ourselves of the Muslim infestation that has taken root. If they want to worship their corrupt, backward faith, they can go back to their own countries to do that.

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  • Jack.Foobar

    Finally some good news.

  • Eric

    Good

  • AmicusC

    about time. might be a few less raped children and decapitated soldiers if the rest of Europe starts standing up for itself.

  • curri

    The incredible scale of the Rotherham scandal shows that Muslims really don’t belong in Europe. Then again, this particular problem could be mostly solved by getting rid of the West’s liberal-globalist ruling elite.

  • Laguna Beach Fogey

    Very promising.

    More, please.

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  • Mainlander

    …like a fish needs a bicycle.

  • david dorian

    One problem:

    AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY??

    “Diversity” means being chased out of your neighborhood.
    “Diversity” means being chased out of your school.
    “Diversity” means being chased out of your job.
    “Diversity” Means Chasing Down the Last White Person.
    “Diversity” means White Genocide

    Anti-whites expect an entire race to disappear from the face of the earth without even mentioning, not even whispering about it.

    Nobody’s flooding Africa with Non-Africans
    and giving them free health care, affirmative action and special privileges.

    Only White Countries are doing it, only White children are affected, and only White politicians are allowing it.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

  • Montague

    The problem with saying from this one incident that “Christians are the baddies and Muslims are the victims” is that this is, looking at the larger picture, the exact reverse of reality.

    Let’s assume for a moment that a creed is most perfectly practiced in the first 400 years of promulgation. Okay, what did the Christians do till the year 400 or so?

    Die of persecution.

    What did the Muslims do in the same span of time?

    Kill or conquer the peoples of Africa, the Middle East, and deep into Europe itself.

    And what goes on today? I’ll not deny that many Christians (let’s assume that they are all people of good standing with the church and in line with church doctrine, which they generally aren’t) are cruel. But armed attacks are rare, and no infidels beheaded (even the disgusting Westboro miscreants do not do that).

    Meanwhile, news comes daily from the Middle East of utterly barbaric acts of muslims, “real” or theologically reprobate. Tell me with a straight face that civilized democracy is possible in a Moslem frame of mind, and I will laugh at you in derision.

    I have been told there have been more Christian martyrs in the last 100 years than all the previous millennia.

    This is not to say whatever transpired in Ireland was or was not an example of proper behavior. But it IS to put things in perspective. Nothing that occurs should be taken alone, but as part of the vast pattern of history and the world – ESPECIALLY if you read it in the news 😉

  • Pádraig Doherty

    “[It is] essential that there is a full and thorough investigation of these comments … ” –

    Northern Ireland’s Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness.

    It is truly bizarre that other countries don’t have the right to free
    speech. Frightening.

  • gvanderleun

    With the rise of ISIS, Rhat, we all see what a vile and disgusting scam you all wallow in. Don’t think we are fooled and don’t think your day is not rapidly on the way.

  • NotInMyLifetime

    It’s a shame that the naivete of the Western world, in its never ending endeavor to liquidize its own very culture, will, in fact, breed a new kind of anger. In opposition to their extreme wayward march to cultural, financial, political and theological suicide will spawn an extreme of which the western world believed it had overcome. And the irony that the ideology of the western world “progressive” is, alone, responsible for this rise of anger is quite fitting. The leaders of the western world have gone to far, they have taken advantage of their people’s “guilt” and good nature.

  • Bane 1010101010101

    Um I’m a little bit confused. The article is about Northern Ireland, yet the picture at the top is of the Mosque in Dublin; does the journalist know that Republic of Ireland, and Northern Ireland are separate countries. Even the caption that states that Dublin is the headquarters of the Islamic foundation of Ireland is irrelevant, since Northern Ireland wouldn’t be in this jurisdiction (I even fact checked this prior to posting, something the journalist should try), northern Irelands Mosques would likely have their headquarters in London, since Northern Ireland is part of the UK. It’s pretty ironic, that an article criticizing ignorance would be so ignorant.

  • Nadia

    Sure God is so nice and never mean or angry that he will let every one come to heaven on the Day , even the homosexuals, the murderers, the aduluters, the corruptors, the “devil worhsipper”, the ones who dont believe in God, the one who drinks alchol and causes and deadly accident, the suiciders, the terrorists, the animal killers, the people who practice beastiality, why? well no one is perfect and well no need to repent so oooooo we all go to Heaven :):):)

    • DoNotLikeItDealWithIt

      Nadia, that’s funny!

  • Nadia

    Last thing I want to say is to all the people who hate Muslims is stop thinking that we are all the same because we are not.Your thinking is wrong and the way you think is no better than the extremists, you two are in the same category. The least thing you can say if you are using your head is to say the bad /misguided Muslims, i would actually respect you opinion then.

    • Chance Boudreaux

      Be forced to wear a burqa or be stoned for infidelity and get back to us with your bed-wetting for Islam.

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  • mary kile

    Muhammad was a pedophile. He took a child bride, Aisha, who was 6 or 7 years old when she was entered into matrimony with the old perv. In Rotherham, Pakistani Muslims raped and tortured by the thousands white girls, then discarded them like trash. I have no sympathy for “islamophobia” or anti-muslims. I have a lot of sympathy for the little white girls who were raped. There has been no justice. No arrests for these Pakistani muslims, and there probably will never be.

  • Edward Voeller

    God bless the Loyalists.

  • Snakes on a Car

    Um….good.
    The natives probably don’t want their children ganged raped like those poor girls in Rotherham.

  • Michael Miller

    I remember Ireland put notice on the all mosques telling them to leave, they have worn out their unwelcome INVASION on sovereign soil. All of Europe will rise or fall, no time like the present!!!! Cheers to you good people in your own Countries. Take them back NOW

  • brad4455

    Well it is about time.

  • Martin Ellacott

    I’m sure that it would be better for moslim immigrants to want to be Irish more than they wish to be labeled Islamic…….but they insist on not accepting any culture they infest and fragment the Society that has embraced multiculturalism and accepted them as citizens…..and that is the folly of multiculturalism and political correctness…..

  • Mr Z

    lol All this because they feel their imaginary friend is better then your imaginary friend :p

  • To those defending the evil called Islam. You are only deluding yourself and nobody else. Islam is an evil, hateful and blood lusting ideology. It is not a religion. It is not a religion of peace. It is an ideology of blood, hate and disrespect. Muslimes are experts at “feel sorry for me”. WHY WERE THERE A CRUSADES several times in history??? Everyone recognized evil, centuries ago and Islam should have been wiped from the Earth back then. We need to finish what the last Crusade didn’t. WAKE UP! Political correctness is going to be your downfall, just like it is being, here in the states!

  • Robert Murphy

    Well done lads, you know Dublin is the capital of the Republic of Ireland and is a sovereign state where as Northern Ireland is part of the UK ?

  • Janet Noll

    I am sooooooo proud of you Ireland!!!!! Thank God you begun to wake up! Hurrah, a beautiful land too good, too prosperous, too smart to fall to the evil.

  • johnson

    oh, whyyyyyyy did he have to ‘apologise’? can’t these pussies for once just stand their ground!?

  • Voice_Of_Reason

    I still don’t understand how calling someone a Paki is offensive to me it is the same as calling someone a Turk Aussie or a Brit its just a shortened down version of the name of their country of origin i think Muslims just take offense to everything.

  • Peter Kay

    i agree ..do not trust ANY muslim…and those say we shouldnt separate the religions and we should all act and treat them like we wish to be treated, well those may soon get their wish when your muslim neighbor separates your head from the rest of you. you will be travailing around in the after life with your head in your hands thinking how you should have paid attention and listened

  • delta queen

    I would like to say to Erin that if you wish to return to your maiden name by law you can do with out deed poll

  • Amy Gregories

    Islam cannot be taught without it being a hate crime. It even says that anyone without marks of war against the Jews and Infidels will not be accepted by allah.

  • Amy Gregories

    muhammad himself wished to die and be martyred come back again die as a martyr over and over again.

  • notislam

    There are no moderate muslims. The Christian mind tries to make it so because it is from the CHRISTIAN view-point –but that does not make it so.

  • kbs55

    On September 11, 2001 I learned all I needed to know
    about the death cult called islam and all muslims are liars, criminals, cowards
    and terrorists, since it is the basis of their cult

  • Mike Santino

    The 2 people arrested for the attack on the muslims must be delt with serverly,A $10.00 fine each

  • nathan

    thanks erin, you are right, our own people are betraying us, they are still blind, what more must happen for them to be convinced we are next on the beheading list.

  • Sam Oranger

    Why are all these Muslims always moving to white countries for? Notice that Muslims never move to other Muslim countries? Keep them out of Europe, US, Canada, Australia.

  • lilyred

    Pastors, don’t apologize for telling the truth. Stand firm. Notice, it’s only a “hate” crime when non-muslims do it?

  • binam

    Nothing wrong with letting them taste their own medicine.

  • JD

    As far as I am concerned, Islam is the epitome of evil in this world! Brutal, barbaric and full of hate! We do not need Islam in the United States!

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  • Which is better: To be a Muslim in Dublin, or a Christian in Hyderabad, Peshawar, Mosul, or etc.?

  • troooooooot

    god bless the Irish the only ones with balls

  • rnot

    good, I am glad they know bad – just read Islamic texts and you know why the moslems have to lie to advance islam… or do it by violence/terror. YOu have to read ideologies to know whether or not they teach lying, violence, etc. And islam does indeed teach it while quoting peaceful verses in the Koran. moslems pick and chose the verses they want to follow and/or tell us abrogated verses (peaceful verses) are what islam is about. It is not. If you read about Mohamed from Islamic texts you will find that he advanced islam via lying, murder, terror, rape, enslavement, and that was due to islam not advancing via his abrogated verses or peaceful verses.

  • Reynolds Wisdom

    Stupid Irish Socialist. When are they ever going to learn.

    Christians and Jews could not bear arms — Muslims could;

    Christians and Jews could not ride horses — Muslims could;

    Christians and Jews had to get permission to build — Muslims did not;

    Christians and Jews had to pay certain taxes which Muslims did not;

    Christians could not proselytize — Muslims could;

    Christians and Jews had to bow to their Muslim masters when they paid their taxes; and

    Christians and Jews had to live under the law set forth in the Koran, not under either their own religious or secular law.

    1. Muslim Turkey has expelled approximately 1,500,000 Greeks from its empire in the east and replaced them with Turks. They have massacred approximately 2 million Armenians and replaced them with Turks in the west.

    2. Muslim Turkey has invaded and occupied northern Cyprus, displacing the Greeks living there.

    3. Muslim northern Sudan has conquered much of southern Sudan, literally enslaving its Christian and pagan population.

    4. Indonesian imperialism has occupied all of non-Islamic western New Guinea and incorporated into Indonesia.

    5. Muslim Indonesia has invaded and conquered Christian East Timor with horrible loss of life.

    6. This very day, Muslim Indonesia is attempting to destroy Christianity in what used to be called the Celebes.

    7. A half-dozen Arab countries have fought two to four wars (depending how you count) in an attempt to destroy Israel and occupy its territory, and is currently continuing the attempt this very day with the publicly voted consent of 55 of the world’s 57 Islamic nations.

    8. For no good reason, Muslim Libya has blown up western aircraft, killing many civilians.

    9. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist war of aggression, invaded and occupied Muslim Kuwait.

    10. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist act of aggression, invaded Muslim Iran with a resulting (some estimates say) death of 2 million people.

    11. Muslim Albania, this very minute, is attempting to enlarge its borders at Christian Macedonia’s expense.

    12. Muslim Northern Nigeria has been (and is currently) an aggressor against the Christian south.

    13. Muslims expelled approximately 800,000 Jews from their homelands between 1947 and 1955.

    14. During Jordan’s occupation of the West Bank, the kingdom undertook an unsuccessful attempt to make Jerusalem a Muslim city by forcing out approximately 10,000 Christian inhabitants.

  • Captain Canuck

    Wow the liberals really get their panties in a bunch when their friends the peaceful muslims have to flee for a change .. These same dung piles are conspicuously silent however when muslims , intimidate , rape and kill Christians and anybody else who isn’t muslim all over the world .. Thanks liberals for forty years of misguided stupidity that brought us to this unenviable situation .. Time for the grown ups to take over ..

  • pete1589

    And the police?? At what point will they be outraged by the hate crimes of Islam? How stupid are they to be complicit against Irish natives in favor of Muslim chauvinist domination???

  • Mia Seths

    Good for Ireland. The Quran and Hadiths are hate speech and deeply offensive to non-Muslims. Muslims choose to accept these texts as holy so they have no place in non-Muslim lands.

  • Lea

    For arrogance, take a look at the muslims who think it is their inalienable allah-given right to wreak havoc and destruction wherever there are muslims. However, it cannot be called arrogance, when one makes plain facts evident. You just may not like them.

    As for this “minority of extremists”, with regard to CAR Africa, the seleka “rebels”, as mainstream media has been propounding for years, failing to name them for who and what they are, namely, muslim jihadists seeking to dominate and subjugate the local, indigenous kaffirs, one now has to come to the point of recognising that this “minority” is committing serious crimes against humanity which is traumatising and shattering generations of people.

    As for the other victims of islam, the muslims living amongst the kaffirs, they harbour, support and enable the minority jihadists, this is the way of islam. Therefore, all muslims have to be considered subversives, unfortunately, in order to deal with this scourge that is now worldwide. Many muslims among them will be innocent of wrong doing, this is most unfortunate. Their best avenue of action is to reject islam and expose it for what it is: a militant, arab political movement that seeks world domination at any cost, by any means.
    Otherwise, they will be counted as one of the enemy of humanity, a muslim.

    A radical muslim wants to kill the kaffir, the moderate muslim wants the radical muslim to kill the kaffir.

    • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

      For arrogance take a look in the mirror, your hatred is saddening and quite disturbing… Your ‘plain facts’ are your opinion… It is fine with you if Christians murder Muslims but God/Gods/Goddess/Goddesses/WHATEVER forbid if Muslims do the same UGH!!! Not a single Muslim that I know condones violence, not one agrees with ISIS, and ALL have spoken out publicly against the extremists and yet you would have them all dead or forced through fear to denounce their religion… DISGUSTING!!!!!

      • John Fisher

        I guess these Moslems you know are just cultural Moslems who don’t know the Koran or Hadiths? Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror
        into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and
        strike off every fingertip of them.” Here is just one of many

  • Lea

    The idea of “circumcision of the heart” is found in Romans 2:29.
    It refers to having a pure heart, separated unto God. Paul writes, “A
    Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the
    Spirit, not by the letter.” These words conclude a sometimes confusing
    passage of Scripture regarding circumcision and the Christian. Verses
    25-29 provide context:

    “For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you
    break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision. So, if a man
    who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his
    uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? Then he who is physically
    uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written
    code and circumcision but break the law. For no one is a Jew who is
    merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a
    Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the
    Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.”

    Paul is discussing the role of the Old Testament Law as it relates to
    Christianity. He argues that Jewish circumcision is only an outward sign
    of being set apart to God. However, if the heart is sinful, then
    physical circumcision is of no avail. A circumcised body and a sinful
    heart are at odds with each other. Rather than focus on external rites,
    Paul focuses on the condition of the heart. Using circumcision as a
    metaphor, he says that only the Holy Spirit can purify a heart and set
    us apart to God. Ultimately, circumcision cannot make a person right
    with God; the Law is not enough. A person’s heart must change. Paul
    calls this change “circumcision of the heart.”

    This concept was not original with the apostle Paul. As a Jew trained in
    the Law of Moses, he was certainly aware of this discussion from Deuteronomy 30.
    There, the Lord used the same metaphor to communicate His desire for a
    holy people: “And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the
    heart of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with
    all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live” (Deuteronomy 30:6).
    Physical circumcision was a sign of Israel’s covenant with God;
    circumcision of the heart, therefore, would indicate Israel’s being set
    apart to love God fully, inside and out.

    John the Baptist warned the Pharisees against taking pride in their
    physical heritage and boasting in their circumcision: “Do not think you
    can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that
    out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham” (Matthew 3:9).

    True “children of Abraham” are those who follow Abraham’s example of believing God (Genesis 15:6).
    Physical circumcision does not make one a child of God; faith does.
    Believers in Jesus Christ can truly say they are children of “Father
    Abraham.” “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and
    heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29).

    God has always wanted more from His people than just external conformity
    to a set of rules. He was always wanted them to possess a heart to
    love, know and follow Him. That’s why God is not concerned with a
    circumcision of the flesh. Even in the Old Testament, God’s priority was
    a spiritual circumcision of the heart: “Circumcise yourselves to the
    LORD, circumcise your hearts, you men of Judah and people of Jerusalem,
    or my wrath will break out and burn like fire because of the evil you
    have done” (Jeremiah 4:4).

    Both Testaments focus on the need for repentance and inward change in
    order to be right with God. In Jesus, the Law has been fulfilled (Matthew 5:17). Through Him, a person can be made right with God and receive eternal life (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9). As Paul said, true circumcision is a matter of the heart, performed by the Spirit of God.

    But it takes the muslims, who reject the Word of God, and instead replace it with a broken, jumbled up plagairism, that came from a false profit in arabia, to pervert circumcision into a disgusting anti-human ritual designed to degrade humanity. This is the way of those who reject the risen Christ. They descend into the corruption of darkness and satan owns them.

    • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

      Ahhh, so you are Jewish> Because that passage specifically links to Jews…funny how all of your circumcision talks/quotes are from the old testament… Interesting…
      And then of course you end things with the typical Christian bullying threats…

      • Lea

        I love Jesus Christ, I know him to be a living saviour. When I share with you, things that you may not like, I do so only because it is necessary:

        I am not threatening you. I am just sharing the truth, as a warning, that does not come from me, but straight from the Creator, who has made himself known to the world as the God of Israel:

        John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

        Whether you believe in hell or sin, or not, it is meaningless, since the Word of God speaks otherwise. And the circumcision thing, is symbolic of having your heart circumcised by the Holy Spirit of God, that comes only by believing in Jesus Christ. If you don’t have this seal in Christ, you will be counted among the goats.

        • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

          Well, I see that you wished to prove that you are a bully… I have told you several times in this and other threads that I do NOT believe as you do and yet you continue to harangue me with YOUR beliefs!!! I have no interest in hearing about YOUR beliefs, I lived them for almost 40 years and have likely done much more research into the subject than you have. It is NOT necessary that you keep preaching at me the way that you have been, it is NOT necessary that you continue to tell me how your God will punish me, it is NOT necessary that you tell me that MY beliefs are meaningless! It is NOT necessary that you insist that ONLY your religion matters, that ONLY your beliefs are correct, that ONLY your God is real… just under 70% of the world population disagrees with you alia… was going to quote verses back at you but why, you will likely pull the typical Christian excuse and say Oh that’s different or when Jesus came he changed that blah blah blah…

          I tell you again… I have NO interest in your religion, your bible, your Christ, or your God… So please, try to obey your bible and (ahhh here quotes from the scriptures work well)…..

          Matthew 10:14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.

          Luke 9:5 And if a town refuses to welcome you, shake its dust from your feet as you leave to show that you have abandoned those people to their fate.”

          • Lea

            There you are, you are now abandoned to your fate. May Jesus Christ be your only blessing.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Riiiight…. And yet you still PUSH your religion onto me like a bully!!! Whatever… Still have two other posts to respond to where you sad lack of knowledge of the case discussed is apparent! One more time, I have NO INTEREST in your God, your Bible, Your Religion or your Christ so stop blessing me in their name!!! BULLY!

          • meanqueen

            I know Jews, and you are no Jew (at least not a learned one). Please shut up and stop giving Jews a bad name among Christians.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            You have some serious issues you may wish to seek psychological assistance for! I have never said I am Jewish so your comment is also along with it’s ignorant content… laughable!

    • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

      My beliefs do not allow for ‘hell’, we do not have ‘sin’ we have two sides of man/woman and it is up to the individual to know right from wrong, to do good or fail to do good… I am almost willing to put down money that I do more charitable acts in my community in a month than you have done in years! I am almost willing to put down money that I have taken in and helped more people in the past 5 years than you have done in a lifetime, that I have fed more homeless, clothed more poor and aided more sick than you could ever catch up with (pride, yes… arrogance, perhaps but since we do not believe in ‘sin/hell’ I am in no danger) and more than you even cared to try!!! Have your beliefs, you are entitled to them and I will have mine… Stop trying to scare me into compliance with what you feel I should do… MY belief system was around LONG before your ‘God” made him/her/itself known to the world…..
      My suggestion to you would be, follow your bible, walk away and dust off your feet…..

      • meanqueen

        Oh Good Lord, you are not a Jew, you are a MORON! Now go and learn.

        • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

          Considering I have never said I am Jewish your comment makes little to no sense… I am also not Christian nor Mormon nor Buddhist nor Muslim nor many other religions, AND whether or not I am any or none of these has no bearing on my exerting my 1st Amendment rights as a citizen of the United States… Now go and quit trolling your betters!

  • Lea

    Jesus said ‘I am the way and the truth and the life’ (John 14:6)

    “I am the way and the truth and the life” is one of the seven “I Am”
    statements of Jesus. On the last night before His betrayal and death,
    Jesus was preparing His disciples for the days ahead. For over three
    years, these men had been following Jesus and learning from His teaching
    and example. They had placed their hopes in Him as the Messiah, the
    promised deliverer, yet they still didn’t understand how He was going to
    accomplish that deliverance. After the Last Supper, Jesus began
    speaking about His departure, which led to questions from His disciples.

    In John 13:33,
    Jesus said, “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You
    will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I
    am going, you cannot come.” This prompted Peter to ask where He was
    going (v. 36). Peter and the others did not understand that Jesus was
    speaking of His death and ascension to Heaven. Jesus’ response was
    “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.”
    Peter was still misunderstanding and declared that he would follow Jesus
    anywhere and even lay His life down if necessary. As Jesus patiently
    continued to teach His disciples, He began speaking more plainly about
    heaven, describing the place He was going to prepare for them (John 14:2-3).
    Then Jesus said “You know the way to the place where I am going” (v.
    4). Speaking for the others, Thomas said they did not know where He was
    going, so how could they know how to follow Him there? It was to this
    question that Jesus uttered one of the seven famous “I am” statements.

    I am – In the Greek language, “I am” is a very intense
    way of referring to oneself. It would be comparable to saying, “I
    myself, and only I, am.” Several other times in the Gospels we find
    Jesus using these words. In Matthew 22:32 Jesus quotes Exodus 3:6, where God uses the same intensive form to say “I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” In John 8:58,
    Jesus said “Truly, truly I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.” The
    Jews clearly understood Jesus to be calling Himself God because they
    took up stones to stone Him for committing blasphemy in equating Himself
    with God. In Matthew 28:20,
    as Jesus gave the Great Commission, He gave it emphasis by saying “I am
    with you always, to the end of the age.” When the soldiers came seeking
    Jesus in the garden the night before His crucifixion, He told them “I
    am he” and His words were so powerful that the soldiers fell to the
    ground (John 18:4-6).
    These words reflect the very name of God in Hebrew, Yahweh, which means
    “to be” or “the self-existing one.” It is the name of power and
    authority, and Jesus claimed it as His own.

    The way – Jesus used the definite article to
    distinguish Himself as “the only way.” A way is a path or route, and the
    disciples had expressed their confusion about where He was going, and
    how they could follow. As He had told them from the beginning, Jesus was
    again telling them (and us) “follow me.” There is no other path to
    Heaven, no other way to the Father. Peter reiterated this same truth
    years later to the rulers in Jerusalem, saying about Jesus, “Salvation
    is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given
    to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). The exclusive nature of the only path to salvation is expressed in the words “I am the way.”

    The truth – Again Jesus used the definite article to emphasize Himself as “the only truth.” Psalm 119:142
    says “Your law is the truth.” In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus
    reminded His listeners of several points of the Law, then said “but I
    say unto you…” (Matthew 5:22, 28, 32, 34, 39, 44),
    thereby equating Himself with the Law of God as the authoritative
    standard of righteousness. In fact, Jesus said that He came to fulfill
    the law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17). Jesus, as the incarnate Word of God (John 1:1) is the source of all truth.

    The life – Jesus had just been telling His disciples
    about His impending death, and now He was claiming to be the source of
    all life. In John 10:17-18,
    Jesus declared that He was going to lay down His life for His sheep,
    and then take it back again. He spoke of His authority over life and
    death as being granted to Him by the Father. In John 14:19,
    He gave the promise that “because I live, you also will live.” The
    deliverance He was about to provide was not a political or social
    deliverance (which most of the Jews were seeking), but a true
    deliverance from a life of bondage to sin and death to a life of freedom
    in eternity.

    In these words, Jesus was declaring Himself the great “I Am,” the only
    path to righteousness, the only true measure of righteousness, and the
    source of both physical and spiritual life. He was staking His claim as
    the very God of Creation, the Lord who blessed Abraham, and the Holy One
    who inhabits eternity. He did this so the disciples would be able to
    face the dark days ahead and carry on the mission of declaring the
    gospel to the world. Of course, we know from Scripture that they still
    didn’t understand, and it took several visits from their risen Lord to
    shake them out of their disbelief. Once they understood the truth of His
    words, they became changed people, and the world has never been the
    same.

    The disciples heard the words of Jesus and believed them. They took His words and
    obeyed them. They confessed their sins to Jesus as their Lord and God.
    They believed that He died to take the punishment of their sins and rose
    from the dead to give them new life. They followed His example and
    command to tell others the truth about sin, righteousness, and judgment.
    When we follow Him in “the way,” we can be assured of following Him all
    the way to Heaven.

    It is not arrogance or pride to share with you this eternal treasure that is the only means to salvation and from the second death, the death of the soul.

    Jesus Christ transformed this world. Islam plundered and stole the knowledge and cultural wealth from other nations that were much more advanced than its own. Islam was a arab nomadic war machine.

    And you are very right, western civilisation is comprised of many different peoples and races, all of whom have contributed to this decidedly superior civilisation whilst islam, losing its ability to continue its plunder of humanity, has become a hellhole wherever muslims and their sharia rules. Western civilisation is based on a christian framework which makes it possible for all peoples to be equal before the law, a purely christian principle.

    • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

      Are you stupid??? This is actually a serious question… I have told you MULTIPLE times that I do NOT believe as you do and yet you deem that it is alright for you to preach to me over and over again going against your own bible… You are such a prejudiced bigot that you cannot see the nose on the front of your face!!! LAW existed LONG before Christianity… Your pride and arrogance will eventually be your downfall… Why not do as your bible says and dust off your feet and walk the heck away!!!!!

      • Flyingfiddlers

        You said above that you have been respectful, yet you started this comment with “are you stupid”. I would suggest that your Muslim friends are telling you things about Christianity from their perspective..and totally lacking in facts. The important thing is to think for yourself and I think if you did you would see quite clearly that Christianity is a faith of Peace and Islam is the opposite.
        Taking a simple mind game to understand it better, Imagine if you were shopping for a religion in a Faith”R”Us supermarket. There were 10 or 12 faiths on offer, If you were a normal decent person, would you take the packet home that said I must kill and maim and steal and abuse in the name of my “god” or would to take one that said “do no harm”, “be charitable” “love one another”. I would suggest only a psychopath would choose the maim and kill religion.

        • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

          Why yes, i did start that comment with :”Are your stupid” and it was a serious question not an insult… I had told Lea multiple times that I do not believe as he/she does and yet he/she insists on trying to convert me with treats… My Muslim friends have not talked to me about Christianity alia, they talked about the radical elements withing Islam and their disagreement with the actions of the extremists… Perhaps you need to read what I said a bit closer… You tell me to think for myself and then tell me that Christianity is the best… UGH!!! Again I am not Muslim (which I have also said many times) and the bible/Christianity is not the loving and caring religion you insist that it is. Do you not know that there are almost as many sects of Islamic religions as there are of Christian religions and that not all of them believe the kill and maim crappola??? UGH! I swear… People are blinded by their faith on ALL sides!

  • Lea

    And you reject the truth of God, not mine, but His. You do so at your own peril. You are now informed. It is an awful thing to consider that more than half of humanity is going to be subject to the terror of God. That is why I take the trouble to share the one truth with you. There is only one truth, not many. If there were more than one truth, then truth would not be truth anymore. Scientifically it is like this: 1+1 = 2. There is ONLY ONE correct answer. This is Jesus Christ, who transforms hearts and minds and provides for the salvation of your soul. Only ONE.

    • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

      And you exhibit the standard and typical Christian bullying and threatening ignoramus 🙁 I told you that I do NOT believe as you do and yet you SEVERAL TIMES NOW insist on trying to convert me through your threats and nasty behavior!!! How proud your God must be of your tactics, prideful behavior… Believe what you will, I have no asked you to believe as I do, I have offered you no threats or forceful words…

      • Flyingfiddlers

        Again the insults WYNEMA…

        • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

          Yes, indeed… I called him/her an ignoramus… Since he/she can obviously not read or comprehend plain and simple English… One can only take so many threats that an entity one does not believe in is going to make one suffer for an eternity… Maybe if she/he had followed the scriptures in his/her bible then the insults would never have happened… When I feel insulted, I insult back… I am only human after all…

          • Flyingfiddlers

            WYNEMA, the best road would be not to respond in kind to perceived insults but keep to a cogent argument.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Such may be the “best road” but sometimes the best road is pointing out to someone when they are being inane or nonsensical or stupid, silly, whatever else…

          • Flyingfiddlers

            I would have to disagree!

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            And yet you have done everything but actually me a liar twice so far… Interesting.

  • Flyingfiddlers

    What is your faith Wynema? care to tell, I am a christian.

    • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

      Actually I do not care to tell… My beliefs are between myself and my deity 🙂 Which is how it should be. I never try to convert anyone, I never threaten them with ever lasting torture in an imaginary hell… Ahhhh well, why is it none of you “Christians” can follow your own bible and turn, walk away and dust off those feet when your preaching is not wanted???

      • Flyingfiddlers

        I just asked you a simple question, why would you take offence being asked? If you have a belief, wouldn’t it be pertinent to this discussion. The reason I ask is that Islam allows followers to deceive non-believers “in the name of Allah”….crazy but true

        • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

          You are reading between lines that do not exist… My words were simple and direct. I sincerely believe that my beliefs are between me and my deity which is why I do not discuss them with ANYONE… If you look through my postings, which you have obviously done to find some of the month old threads you went to to respond to my postings to other people you would see that I have stated that multiple times…
          I would say that even though I have been honest with you in stating that I am not Muslim, in fact I do not belong to any of the Islamic sects either, nor am I Buddhist, Catholic, Wiccan, Sikh, or even Pastafarian… BUT it would seem with your statement of how Islam allows one to lie that you may already have your mind made up 🙂 Ahhh well, I cannot change your preconceived ideas alia. What I can say to you is this…
          Oke a hatak hopoyuksa atuk nishkin oktalonli apunta ilap immi na yimmi amba ikithano mih na yimi of mishts atuk aiaka hinla hosh holisso ithana aiena an patachi imanukfila hinla hosh holisso ithane aiena an patachi imanukfila atuk a imanukfila achunanchi to moma yimmis amba ilapo fehna atok masko luak mosholi amo aia n lishke illi atukla!!!
          And again… I am not Muslim 🙂 Look up my name 🙂 Others already have… I do not hide 🙂

  • Snakes on a Car

    There shouldn’t be any Muslims in Europe. Muslims have 50+ muzzie countries that they can live in, they have not reason to invade the lands of Europeans.

  • pf

    We all need to take a stand against this infestation of unholy scum get them out of Britain we need to be together and all fight as one unit to rid us of there evil killing Muslim ways

  • pf

    We have all gone soft our granddads went to war where has our bk bone gone

  • johnson

    oh,I see the ‘BBC’ has reported that ‘hate crimes’ (i.e.,against Muslims) are on the rise…so,it would be shocked to hear,are those committed BY Muslims (but only if you consider the Lee Rigby thingy a ‘crime’)…

  • mauricemojo

    in the long run a few broken windows are a significantly better result than thousands of white christian girls being raped and sodomised by these jihadis when they gain a foothold in a community,so well done guys,from scotland

  • Jojojojojojo…

    Have you heard this one before?
    What is the similarity between a load of sperm and a bunch of Muslim immigrants?
    Millions arrive but only one works!

    Now we have this problem in France. If France and the UK would only stop giving them welfare checks and affordable housing, they would go somewhere else.

  • AllahIsSatan

    Muslims should leave all western countries and return to their the lands that support their values. Islam is the Religion of Violence. All one has to do is look at the Middle East and see that Islam brings out the worst in a person. That religion turns people into less than human entities. So it goes without saying that I am happy to see Muslims wanting to leave Ireland. Please go back to the desert, if you can’t live within the laws of civilized society.

  • pobinr

    Trouble is they’ll come here to the mainland won’t they !

  • pobinr

    You moderate Muslims need to become rational moderate human beings by not letting a book of 7th century tribalistic gobbldygook rule your lives

  • Duke LaCroix

    Muslims are the equivalent of 20th century Nazis without the technological advances.

    • John

      Hardly. The Nazis were honorable warriors and the Muslims are psychopathic cowards for the most part. I have to go with Gen. George Patton on the Nazis and the conduct of WWII in general. In 1945, Gen. Patton confided to his wife that we had been allied with the wrong people and should have hooked up with the Nazis to fight the Soviets. He also said the Germans were the finest race in Europe. I lived in Germany for a total of 5 years and I have to agree based on first hand knowledge of the Germans and their culture.

  • John Fisher

    Islam has no place in Ireland. Ireland for the Irish! Keep away from Ireland!

  • John Fisher

    Christianity does not require circumcision. But you know that. If you are baptised you are a Christian. The sort good or bad or mediocre is up to you!
    Don’t be unreasonable!

  • John Adams

    Islam is a religion who’s founder believed in killing , raping and torture.
    Anyone that follows this religion is endorsing all the above and to include raping of young boys and girls.
    This religion must be stopped and all followers must be prevented to immigrate into any western country and be deported from all countries and sent back to their own .

  • Ayatolla Howmany

    This is the best news in many years; oh that ALL muslims would return to their Islamic paradises and leave the civilised world alone. Best for ALL concerned.

  • AJ Liberphile

    If true, it’s a happy thing that mo-slimes are fleeing Northern Ireland to avoid anti-Islam attacks. This will avoid the necessity of the Northern Irish having to defend themselves against Moslem violence in the future, as we see in every Mo-slum in the world today, e.g. France, UK, Lebanon, Turkey, Syria, Pakistan, Arabia, Yemen, Phillipines…

  • mcclearypl

    All Muslims are evil and the sooner Christians see that and act on it
    the better the entire world will be. Fight on Christians!

  • pJimmy

    Whether some of you who are non-Muslim would like to admit it or not you probably know some Muslim people that are very nice. You may even work with some and not even know that they are. Many “Koran Believing” Muslims would not like to admit it to outsiders but the majority of those who identify themselves as Muslims dispersed throughout the western world are Muslim by culture NOT by strict adherence to the Koran. Within Christian culture those that follow Biblical Christianity view notional Christians as questionable in their faith. When either group Moslem or Christian are attacked they band together and pretend they stand together on their respective sides.

    People can claim to adhere to any set of beliefs but then disobey them. Just because someone commits an atrocity in the name of some faith does not reflect on that faith unless that faith promotes such acts.

    The real issue is in the realm of theology and a topic called abrogation. When looking at
    Biblical Christianity we see a theology of loving your enemy and praying for those who persecute you. This because the New Testament abridges the old. The Koran is abridged by it’s newer surahs which is unfortunate for the entire world as those are the ones that occurred when Mohamed was at war with unbelievers. While there has been some attempt to try to pawn this off as metaphorical, a little historical research refutes that.

    So there is a call for theological reform for Islam but it would require essentially blasphemy. Meanwhile the western world is in denial until Islam reaches combustible orthodox concentrations and it burns it down.

  • Gufo

    Oh, one member was hospitalized.. really? Too bad, how about the millions of Christians and Jews, and the rest of the world, who are tortured, attacked on a regular basis by rabid dogs in the form of muslims, children who are raped to imitate the pedophile prophet of ISLAM, women who are raped, mutilated, subject to any kind of violence because that’s how muslim men get excited… how about them? And this stupid family is a problem? And the pastor is a problem? Are you kidding me? get out if you don’t like it, go scream ad shout and foam from the mouth in your beautifully islamic barren country, and don’t forget to take your offspring with you, no more scum in civilized countries, no more civil rights for uncivilized scum!

  • Pavel

    Good news, if true.

  • orthotox

    That mosque, which looks suspiciously like a disused cathedral, is in the Republic of Ireland, but the story is about Northern Ireland. Or is the distinction moot to Islam?

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  • Goldfinger

    Islam is a cult of inhumanity, intolerance, depravity, and immorality. They follow the teachings/views of Adolf Hitler. Hitler’s Mein Kampf is a consistent best-seller in Islamic countries. Watch videos of radical Islamic cults around the world and you will see them give the Nazi salute. You can view many of them on YouTube.

    Even if they are here for “asylum”, they usually come to this country through deception. They do not assimilate within the community and form their own enclaves, and attempt to form political alliances to install or force their own customs and Sharia Law, in their host country, with no regard to the host countries laws and customs or Constitution. They regard our laws and the Constitution nothing more than toilet paper with words written on them. They attempt to obscure their action and beliefs and shutting up critics by labeling people with “Islamophobia”, “racist”, “haters”, etc. Some Western countries are slowly waking up to see that Islam is slowly eroding their values, but it may be too late. No matter where you stand on this issue, it behooves you to enlighten yourself of what’s going around us. The media is very reticent on reporting on this, because they are afraid of being labeled in the same way, by C.A.I.R. and other Islamic/Muslim groups.

  • Jay Dillon

    Push em back shove em back, waaaayyy back… Into the desert.

    This is the kind of pushback the Islamofascists need every day of the week. Remember, Islamofascists are in your country to dominate and destroy you. So don’t let them. Kick them out.

    If Muslims cannot uphold any democratic constitution and human rights, if they cannot uphold women’s rights, if they cannot allow any freedom of religion– even for their own adherents (killing those who leave Islam), then Muslims must be extracted completely, from all Western democracies.

    If you do not agree with my point of view, simply read a few pages of the Koran.

  • Joseph C. Krywalski

    WOW Knew I liked Ireland!!

  • kyleyoder

    I’m heartbroken

  • David Carmichiel

    any so called religion whose basic tenets include the genocide of the jews and the deaths or subjugation of all non muslims in the name of allah cannot be called a religion of peace and cannot co exist with any others. in any lands run by muslims there are no other faiths period!!!

  • carlducci

    Good for the Irish….kill every single muslim and we won’t have a muslim problem.

  • Arnold Layne

    The best thing the Irish can do is to get the mussys that are there out, and prevent any more from coming in. Anywhere in the world the mussys settle sees a rise in violence, rape, murder, child abuse, beastiality and honor killing. mussys are not peaceful people looking for a better life. They are looking to expand their way of life around the world.

  • Daniel Söderberg

    What’s racist and hate-mongering is THE QURAN. Are Muslims really surprised that the world now hates Islam?