The NRA lied: A good guy with a gun couldn’t stop a bad guy with a gun

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WASHINGTON, June 10, 2014 — Another school shooting happened today.

This time it occurred at Reynolds High School located in Troutdale, Oregon.

The investigation of this latest shooting is still in its early stages, but what is known at this point is that during a first period gym glass, a gunman entered the school with a semi automatic weapon and shot a student.  The local police department is reporting that the student and the gunman are now deceased.

The news that there has been yet another fatal shooting within the walls of a school has left parents afraid and confused.


Parents across the country are at a point that when a school shooting is reported, they no longer are shocked by the incident. Instead, they hold their breath until the name of the school is reported so they can say a prayer for those who have been hurt but also one for the fact that at least today, their children have been spared.


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Even though the full details about this latest incident have yet to be revealed, there is one detail that is crystal clear: Someone who should never have been able to lay his hands on a weapon managed to obtain one and used it for evil.

The NRA has been telling us for about two years now that the problem is not that this shooter was able to get a weapon and ammunition, but that other people in that school did not have their own semi automatics to combat the evil-doer.

Remember when NRA executive, Wayne LaPierre, cleverly told us after the Newton shooting that “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”.

Unfortunately Mr. LaPierre’s call to arms was disproven two days ago in another mass shooting this week. Just for clarification, today is Tuesday.

On June 8, 2014, two police officers and a third victim were killed in Las Vegas by a pair of gunman, reportedly telling a bystander that the killings were part of a “revolution.”

The shooters were identified as a married couple, Jared Miller, 31, and Amanda Miller, 22.

The shootings began Sunday afternoon at a Cici’s restaurant where the two police officers, Alyn Beck and Igor Soldo, were having lunch.

Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill said at a Monday press conference that Jared Miller pulled a handgun out and shot Officer Soldo in the back of the head.


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Officer Beck immediately started to respond but was shot in the throat by Miller. At this point, Amanda Miller removed her handgun from her purse and both of the Millers fired multiple shots into Officer Beck.

After the shooting, police say the couple took the officers’ handguns and ran across the street to a nearby Wal-mart. There, police say, Jerad Miller fired off one round and told everyone to get out of the store.

It is what takes place inside that Walmart that makes Mr. LaPierre’s argument seem so ridiculous in hindsight.

Robert Wilcox, 31 was shopping inside that store with a concealed sidearm.

Wilcox no doubt had also heard over the past two years how all we were waiting for was a good guy with a gun to be at a location when one of these criminals came in to hurt others. Boy won’t that criminal be surprised and all of this senseless violence will end.

And Robert Wilcox was a good guy. He was a good guy with a gun.

Wilcox confronted Jared Miller. Unfortunately, he was unaware that Amanda Miller was an accomplice, and when he walked past her to her husband, she shot Wilcox in the body.

The NRA had us believing that if this exact situation was ever to happen, it would have a happy ending just like in an action movie.

Instead, the end result was another dead good guy.

Robert Wilcox died a hero trying to protect innocents. If he did not have his weapon on him and had cleared the store like every other person in Wal-mart that day, he would still be alive.

Wilcox was sold a bill of goods by the NRA and Wayne LaPierre when he was convinced that he would be able to stop a “bad guy” with a gun. In reality, Robert Wilcox never stood a chance.

Wilcox was between jobs at the time of his death and looking for work as a web designer. He  believed strongly in the right to bear arms, but as a web designer, likely did not have the training, equipment or support necessary to walk away from a madman with a gun who has nothing to lose.

The men who did have the training, equipment and backup were lying dead on the flood of Cici’s. What chance did Wilcox have?

A memorial fund has been set up for Joseph Robert Wilcox at Wells Fargo Bank. Those who wish to contribute can do so using the account number 8485852688.

The NRA was established to primarily educate and train people in safe use and handling of rifles. Many who now oppose the NRA would support the organization emotionally and financially if they were to go back to their original purpose and not continue their march towards the radical message they seem to be approaching.

An opinion poll taken a year ago by The Washington Post and ABC News showed that the favorable opinions toward the NRA had fallen to an all time low of 36 percent.

It is hard to believe that anyone is watching the news this week and thinking that America’s gun policy is working.

Both sides need to stop spouting unproductive rhetoric and instead find a compromise. Yes, that dreaded “C” word, compromise.

Some people should be able to carry their weapons, but not everybody.

The politicians, who are hired to protect us, need to show just a portion of the bravery Joseph R. Wilcox did two days ago and admit that something needs to change.

It will probably mean less money in the politicians pocket and war chest from the NRA, but it is the right thing to do.

People are dying.

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  • Sandra Goetz

    what a piece of crap

  • Poppy Clark

    What crap! Her agenda is what?? You think?

  • Bren Pool Vignaroli

    “Wilcox was sold a bill of goods by the NRA and Wayne LaPierre when he
    was convinced that he would be able to stop a “bad guy” with a gun. In
    reality, Robert Wilcox never stood a chance.”

    I beg to differ…if I had a choice and found myself in a situation like this one, I would MUCH rather have know that there was someone nearby…armed and ready to protect. Every case is different of course. I would never judge or even pretend to believe that things would have turned out differently had Robert Wilcox not approached the gunman. He was in fact, in a situation that nobody could have predicted what the outcome would be. In fact, we still don’t know all of the facts in these two most recent cases…but you are very quick to blame the gun. Shame on you for that…

    “The NRA had us believing that if this exact situation was ever to happen, it would have a happy ending just like in an action movie.” Really? Correct me if I’m wrong here Susan Ruth, but I don’t believe the NRA has ever made such a ridiculous and false statement. Those are YOUR words, not the NRA’s.

    I feel much safer in a society that can arm and protect themselves and their families from the ILK that walks amongst us, like the Millers, Aaron Ybarra,Remanard Castro, etc etc. Are you aware that so far this year alone, there have been 31 SCHOOL SHOOTINGS across this country? Not all of them have had fatal results, and MANY of them were apprehended before they were able to carry out their dirty little deeds. I highly doubt they were apprehended by bystanders without guns. Some of those “bad guys” were taken down by those GOOD GUYS with a gun. The ones you tagged in this story as being “sold a bill of goods.”

    • gefitz

      Awesome. Two more days (seems like that’s the average amount of times between these incidents now), and we’ll see more evidence the success of US domestic arms policy.

      • John Felts

        Yes, gefitz… your communication is marked disrespect and a lack of any kind intellectual depth at all. You are an impudent, nasty, and unproductive with an air of being superior and all you can come up with is a critique of ” Two more days (seems like that’s the average amount of times between these incidents now), and we’ll see more evidence the success of US domestic arms policy.

        What could be stranger, then the stunning hypocrisy of from where ever you hail from? When I involve myself in these posts and read your responses, I am witnessing the ongoing fundamental transformation of America at the hands of people claiming to stand for fairness, tolerance, diversity, free speech and the common man – yet unfailingly you end up taking me, kicking and screaming, in the exact opposite direction?” Speaking with you it is really easy to fall in to being “Self-Righteous.” It’s too bad your dad did such a bad job on you as a parent. But I imagine that failure is part of the biological imperative game of reproduction..

    • John Felts

      Amen, Bren! Thanks for contributing…

  • Willbill

    Here is a list of potential mass-shootings that were stopped by good guys with guns.

    http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html

    Of course, citizen disarmament zealots, their organizations, their media allies, and their apologists lied when they said that this could never happen.

  • Willbill

    “The NRA was established to primarily educate and train people in safe use and handling of rifles. Many who now oppose the NRA would support the organization emotionally and financially if they were to go back to their original purpose and not continue their march towards the radical message they seem to be approaching.”

    The NRA’s primarily mission is still to educate and train people in safe use and handling of rifles and handguns. In fact, two thirds of the NRA’s budget goes to programs other than legislative action and its Political Victory Fund.

    http://training.nra.org

    http://eddieeagle.nra.org

    http://le.nra.org

    http://youth.nra.org

    http://women.nra.org

    “An opinion poll taken a year ago by The Washington Post and ABC News showed that the favorable opinions toward the NRA had fallen to an all time low of 36 percent.”

    A Reuters/Ipsos poll showed found that 68 percent, or two out of three respondents, had a favorable opinion of the NRA.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/13/us-usa-guns-poll-idUSBRE83C0G420120413

  • Sandra Goetz

    Here you go sweetie. The NRA does not make promises. Only fairly accurate predictions. The only thing that can stop somebody with a gun, is a hero with a gun. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/10/dad-watched-in-horror-as-two-armed-men-held-a-gun-to-his-teen-daughters-head-then-he-did-something-about-it/

  • Ruby Durbin

    Just a bit biased are you? How do you report the many, many stories of “bad guys” being stopped by a good guy with a gun? My bet is you don’t.

    • Harold P. Birdbath Esq.

      Yeah like the one hundred and sixteen mass shootings that would have occurred already this year if it hadn’t been for good guys with guns. Oh, no, one hundred and sixteen mass shootings have already occurred this year killing one hundred and forty two people and injuring countless others. but… Why didn’t the good guys with guns stop these horrible things from happening? in fact it appears as though people with guns, not only aren’t the solution to these horrible things happening, but are actually the ones doing the horrible things. OH my, this is awkward.

      • Douglas Phillips

        What’s awkward is explaining it yo a deaf moronic liberal.. “gun free zones” are just that. Gun free until a bad guy with a gun walks in and then it becomes a “blood bath zone!”
        Wake the hell up! You can’t possibly be that ignorant.

        • marssnw

          You have to talk slower to Harold. He doesn’t understand GUN FREE ZONE. You have to spell it out like this. G u n F r e e Z o n e. He can sound it out now. Sometimes it is not the reading of words, sometimes it is just inability to comprehend words.

          • John Felts

            Marssnw, We all know what a gunfreezone is. The all but obvious problem that you Progressives seem to CONSISTANTLY realize is that the bad guys see this as an invitation to force their will violently because they understand that it is a G u n F r e e Z o n e and no one will be able to answer to their armed invasion. You think that this criminal element is going to pay attention to your Progressive Liberal rhetoric and heed to the completely unrealistic and delusional picture in your Liberal head??? Click your ruby red slippers and go back to Kansas, Dorothy! This is reality no matter how you couch your words.

          • marssnw

            What? Im not a progressive. Im a Tea Party Patriot to the core. Im not for gun control in the least bit. I think you may have misinterpreted my comment. I was mocking those that think a “Gun Free Zone” is going to save them once the shooting starts.

          • John Felts

            SORRY! I apologize very humbly!!! I misread your post if those are your standards! Sorry for the mislabel, sir.

          • marssnw

            No problem, I think you meant to reply to Harold and posted on mine by mistake.

          • Tracy

            Interesting to note that just a day after Jack in the box and Sonic announced their “gun free zones” several of them were robbed. criminals watch/read the news too and they know exactly where to go and not be hurt “on the job” as there are no law abiding citizens with guns to stop them. I never go to any restaurant that displays a “no guns” sign, restaurants are easy prey (especially fast food) for criminals as there is an abundance of cash and now “no guns allowed”

      • John Felts

        Harold, Why don’t you get on your pulpit and scream about doing something that affects the root of the problem??? Why don’t you chid our weak ineffective, self serving politicians, and write about how they ignore one of our most defenseless and under-represented constituency of citizens who are mentally ill and have no where to turn or be safe in todays society. Our treatment centers are our Prison System, and don’t you think we have done a great job at managing that? I think that if you do some investigation you will find that Mental illness is part-and-parcel of every one of the mass shootings in the last 50 years. And, when you use England as an example of how well gun control has turned out, the British have finally upped their measures and made it illegal to own a knife and are working on confiscation all sharp of Kitchen implements to, you know, make them safe…

        • Tracy

          the very liberal organization the ACLU has fought for years, and successfully, to keep record of mental health out of the public. Now there’s something a rabid dog liberal can sink his teeth into.

          • Bren Pool Vignaroli

            You got that right Tracy!! The ACLU needs butt OUT! They’ve done enough damage over the years where mental health is involved. Keeping a lot of these “clients” on the streets is the name of their game, and they have a LOT of blood on their hands because of it. I hope I live to see the day that our mental health laws can be completely revamped so that those inflicted can be helped and treated on the inside, and others who aren’t… can live safely on the outside.

      • Ruby Durbin

        Awkward? Well, awkward is having gun free zones, (usually posted so criminals are aware of their vulnerability), that prevent law abiding citizens the possibility of protecting themselves and others. Now, Harold…did you note the two types of people involved? Criminals; those who have no interest in following laws. Law abiding citizens; people who follow the laws, (even those they don’t necessarily agree with).

    • John Felts

      Oh, yes we can report that bad guys are stopped by good guys responding with a gun. There are web-sites devoted to just that. Main-stream-media refuses to report it, Ruby!

  • Allison Powers

    Chicago should be very safe with all the guns laws they have. But, it’s not.

  • Paul Cameron

    This was an ambush by bad people. Had there been a “good” guy with a gun that wasn’t already targeted perhaps this would have ended before a second innocent was shot. The officers were executed by nut cases. Has zero to do with gun legality or not. Weed is illegal, underage drinking is illegal, yet it doesn’t take much effort to obtain that. Same with an illegal weapon. Making stuff illegal does zero to control those who would choose to use it in an illegal manner.

  • Jaded-to-Libtard-crap

    Are you really that stupid? (to the author)….This was not a case of “a good guy with a gun vs a bad guy with a gun”,Mrs. Libtard,it was a case of a good guy with a gun (of unknown training and background,mind you) against a bad guy with a gun who had an unknown to the goodguy partner who had a gun too…which completely throws the equation you’re spouting so much stupid about out of balance. You REALLY should stick to subjects that you actually know something about and are unbiased on. If you hate guns so much…here’s a brilliant idea for you….don’t buy one,but stop trying to take away my rights to because you don’t like them. Molon Labe. A US Army Veteran,tax payer,voter,consumer,and parent said this.

  • Susan Mireles

    It’s obvious that you intended to spread the anti-gun sentiment by your overuse of the word, “semi-automatic”. I can put rounds down range with a wheel gun as fast as I can with an semi-auto. If you’re going to write about a subject, get educated about it first.

    One person shot at a school and two police officers shot at a separate location do not constitute “mass shootings”. They constitute tragedies that you are exploiting.

    My heart goes out to everyone who lost someone because of these very sick people. Like the one in Oregon, they often take the cowards way out and kill themselves.

    There is no way you are ever going to change the minds of the American people about their guns. They are they only way we can keep corrupt governments and people at bay.

    How DARE you use these tragedies to promote your anti-gun agenda? You should be ashamed of yourself but based on this article, you have no conscience.

    • John Felts

      Amen, Susan! Do your best to help these morons understand…

  • Ricky Chandler

    He did stop the bad guy, he just didn’t know there was also a bad woman. You seem to fail to mention all of the times that a good person with a gun has prevented a rape, an assault, a murder. The odds are against these attacks when the playing field is leveled. Do you really think these people would go into schools if they knew people in there were armed.

    The reality of the matter is that you people need to stop blaming the guns. There will always be guns. You cannot eradicate them. You can possibly take them out of the hands of law abiding citizens and all this will do is create more victims.

    Make punishments harsher for people who commit crimes with guns. This will stop some, however we are looking at a time in history where human life is not cherished like it used to be. Due to the fall of Christianity , people no longer believe there is a Heaven or a Hell. They have no hope for something better. They also don’t fear something worse.
    The Liberal mentality is to each his own and there will be no consequences
    Think about all the guns that have been manufactured and sold in the United States in just the past 10 years. How many crimes have been committed with guns in the past 10 years.and then figure the amount of crimes that have been prevented because of a good guy with a gun. There is no comparison.

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    • John Felts

      Amen, Ricky Chandler! The moronic Progressive Liberal drone mentality of enforcing GUN FREE ZONES and taking away any effective means of defending ourselves against armed aggressors is counter intuitive and just plain foolish!

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  • Mark S

    From the Las Vegas Review-Journal June 9, 2014 “Jerad Dwain Miller had a lengthy criminal history dating back at least to 2000 that saw him in and out of jail on felony and misdemeanor charges in both Washington state and in his home state of Indiana.
    In 2010 and 2007 he was convicted of drug dealing and possession charges related to marijuana.
    Jerad Miller was arrested by Tippecanoe County, Ind., police on a battery charge in 2009 but later found not guilty.
    In February 2011, he was arrested on a strangulation battery charge in Dearborn County, Ind., though the result of that case is unclear.
    He married Amanda Woodruff in September 2012, according to court records in Lafayette, Ind.”

    So my question is why did any court anywhere this guy was brought to trial for his many crimes allow his release to have the chance to do more harm to inocents? Did anyone seek out any psychiatric review of his past? Since he was a convicted felon, you are correct he should never had access to any firearm, but show me how that is done. News for you, if a con wants a gun, he can get one easier than an honest Joe on the street.
    The NRA is correct! All too often, just pointing a gun at a nutcaselike this guy promts him to turn the gun on himself and taking his own life. The unknown factor of Mrs. Nutcase may have extended the carnage.

    • John Felts

      Thank you, Mark! I completely agree with your point of view!

  • debbie

    Mr. Wilcox had the right intention…he was trying to do something good in a bad situation. Life is not a movie, the good guys don’t always win. However if you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything. Its a shame he didn’t know the shooter had an accomplice or someone else who was armed that could have stopped her before she fired. I think all law abiding Americans want regulations on purchasing firearms; background checks, etc. but making owning firearms illegal IS NOT the answer any more than making drug use illegal. We all see how well that works. The NRA was simply stating what realistically could’ve happened, he could’ve stopped a bad situation but it just wasn’t meant to be.He is a hero in my eyes because he tried.

  • PO39(Retired) BRB

    When evil plans an ambush it is unfortunate but the first person(s) targeted likely will be killed. Virtually in every attack, the person (s) attacked are unaware of the danger until the first blow (direct physical strike or by extension with an object like knife, club, gun) and frequently are incapable of self defense.

    Being fully situational aware 100% of the time is most likely impossible, save total isolation from public exposure. Well trained, armed citizens can however make a difference in the numbers slaughtered. Gun free zones simply give the evil mindrd an uncontested advantage be identifying a free kill zone as the law abiding citizen will comply with the restrictions that criminals and the evil minded simply ignore. In fact, you’ll notice that almost all incidents occur in what are declared a gun free zone. The prepared, planned out attack continues unchallenged until police arrive (multiplied seconds to eternal 10’s of minutes. Then the arriving police have an unwanted obstacle to overcome – that of positively identifying the bad guy who may choose to blend in with, or control the sympathies of critical incident respoders (first officers to arrive, or SWAT) by using hostages as shield.

    When properly trained for speed, accuracy, and stealth concealment, an armed citizen may be able to gain an advantage and stop the threat coming from the attackers lack of 100% situational awareness, focus on their intended purpose or simply by being on the attackers blind side and using the advantage to end an otherwise unrestrained carnage.

    I would want a good guy with a gun nearby if I were in such a situation, and as an annually firearms qualified retired police officer I will be that good guy if overehelming needed and or gaining an opportunity to stop the attack.

    • OffensiveAndPeculiar

      Thank you brother for both your service and your wisdom.

  • diana

    No one is getting to the root of the problem…..the lack of morality in this country! Children who are NOT being brought up with good values and taught to respect others and value life and given the basic values that keep them on the right track. There is a horrendous lack of a sense of responsibility in people anymore……from little children to our Politicians and look who they have been taught to emulate…..movie stars? really…..with the morality of what? Sports ? sure that are such Great Hero’s there anymore…..and for sure NOT our Politicians. But what about our Servicemen and Servicewomen? Are they even taught to value our flag , our Constitution, the brave men and women who risk everything and whose family’s too often pay the price? No….they are taught that none of that matters anymore……..only to do what you want to whom you want when you want………..this is the result of that kind of self interest…..and the Liberal mindset encourages this….but takes NO RESPONSIBILITY for the results of their actions and decisions. Then its blame the gun…..blame the last President or other ones before that…..blame the parents (who they have filled with their verbal garbage…….we an’t blame the people that use the gun or the parents that raised the child that used the gun so just blame the gun! No common sense anymore at all out there……its ludicrous.

    • non sheeple

      Diana, I agree with you, the country has lost its perspective in regards to upbringing and religion. We are allowing the few to dictate to the many.

  • John Felts

    Dear Susan, First off I would like to provide my sincere condolences to the families of
    todays Oregon tragedy. With that said, Susan, I am one of those people who you will affect when and if you get your way and take all of those “homicidal guns” from common-law-abiding citizen
    families who live in the US. Your ideology effectively turns me and my family to sitting ducks in our own homes and neighborhoods with zero way to protect ourselves from predatory elements that are numbers too large to comfortably publicize and for the main-stream-media to acknowledge…

    Additionally, Susan, what is your plan to have all of the criminal elements and mentally ill turn their guns in? Because, of course, your plan is to make owning a gun illegal for every
    common level citizen in the Us? Because you are frightened by guns in general does not mean that the majority of main-stream-Americans are. Additionally, owing a gun does not turn a citizen
    into the picture of the gun owner that the “Progressive Liberal” among us likes to paint us to be. A lot of us are very educated, aren’t named Bubba and have jobs that pay six figures and above, and have families, homes and possessions that we have worked for. A lot of us are women who live alone and feel that realistically, they can not wait the 8 minute average time to get a response from 911 to come to our homes and rescue us… Additionally, most of us are completely accountable and do not rely on the concept of others coming to save us, or to
    have government solve all of our problems in life.

    If you would like to write an article on for “Communities Digital News” chiding our weak ineffective, self serving politicians, write one on how they ignore one of our most defenseless and under-represented constituency of citizens who are mentally ill and have no where to turn or be safe in todays society. Our treatment centers are our Prison System, and don’t you think we have done a great job at managing that? I think that if you do some investigation you will find that Mental illness is part-and-parcel of every one of the mass shootings in the last 50 years.
    And, if you use England as an example of how well gun control has turned out, the British have finally upped their measures and made it illegal to own a knife and are working on confiscation all sharp of Kitchen implements to, you know, make them safe… When are we going to become accountable for the reason we are dealing with these issues in the first place? You are not going to be able to cure societies ills by removing all guns, knives, cars, clubs, sticks, teeth or hands. Become accountable, Susan, for the core problem and stop making your life someone else’s responsibility to defend. Unless of course, your are part of the government elite, in which case you have armed escorts provided, and are able to acquire conceal carry gun designation permits so you can feel like you are engaged in living life on life’s terms like the rest of are supposed to be.

    So, Susan, I don’t understand, where is the lie?

    Very truly yours,

    John F,
    Alhambra, CA.

    • Bren Pool Vignaroli

      Excellent and every point you made is right on target John! Right down to the problems this country faces with the mishandling of our mentally ill…this problem runs deeper then most people realize. Unless they have been through it and touched personally by living with or dealing with a person suffering from mental illness, they can’t even begin to fathom or wrap their head around it. We need to start by RE-opening the mental hospitals across this country and get a grip on one.

  • diana

    As for Robert Wilcox……..he didn’t care if he had a chance……and maybe he wasn’t well trained…..but he CARED and CHOSE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. He was NOT about SELF INTEREST! He is a HERO.

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  • patrickt777

    When u r unarmed u r a victim, armed=problem solver. Coward liberals dont understand that giving ur life for others is part of being a good citzen. Liberals should never be able to have guns bcuz 99% of psycho shooters are democrats. I carrry and am ready for several shooters and when I run out , I’ll make sure I take theirs and stop them from hurting as many people as possible until I take my last breath. And I can take quite a few. Oh forgot to mention, as soon as democrats can verify every criminal has turned in his guns…I still wont, bcuz theyll use knives rocks anything.

  • Wayne Wilhelm

    The writer of the article shows their bias in that the NRA never stated that if everyone is armed that there will never be any shootings. The NRA never stated that the good guy with a gun always wins over a bad guy with a gun. What the NRA has stated is that when only bad guys have guns, the chance the bad guys will kill more people is a certainty.

  • Pat Nash

    How is it that the mentally ill and the evil can always find a way to get guns? Shouldn’t we be trying to track them down and disarm them instead of law-abiding citizens? It’s something about evil that is unpredictable even for the well trained experts among us.

    • Ben Dover

      That’s exactly the point. If MORE gun laws are passed, then only the law-abiding will follow the law. Criminals do NOT obey the law. Very strict gun laws in New York City, Chicago, Detroit and Los Angeles don’t seem to have much impact on the homicide rates. The mentally ill and the evil will always find a way to hurt others.

  • theame19

    A brave man died doing the right thing in trying to stop a pair of psychopaths. He got shot in the back by a coward but he’ll be remembered as a hero because he had the guts to intervene. He could have ran away but he didn’t and if he had run who is to say the two killers wouldn’t have fired off hundreds of rounds at countless innocents? He saved lives that day, giving his own in the process. He demands our respect. Those of us who believe in the 2nd Amendment and live by the same creed get this.
    The reason liberal gun-grabbers don’t understand this is because there isn’t a one of them out there that have the character and the guts do to the same. Liberals yell the loudest when it suits their agenda and they bully those in dissention but when push comes to shove they’re the ones hiding under tables, hovering in corners or running away from trouble. God bless those who were on the right side of things who fell that day and to hell with the two psychos who brought this sadness upon them. MOLON LABE!

  • Larry Foster

    One case where it was bad timing. This could happen to anyone you moron, even the police. I guess he should have shot first and asked questions later like the cops do.

  • Mike

    It seems in OR we have another person off his medication….As far as Wilcox, his good intentions were to no avail due to bad tactics. He tried. FACTS still show that many..many..many acts of violance are stopped every year by good folks w/guns. You can have your own opinion, not your own facts.

  • Dave Weaver

    what a ridiculous Liberal anti gun rant! Liberals overlook the obvious – hold the crazy shooter responsible. Quit the anti 2nd Amendment nonsense- it is not up for negotiation

  • Mrs. Bradley

    Susan Ruth,

    “Even though the full details about this latest incident have yet to be revealed, there is one detail that is crystal clear: Someone who should never have been able to lay his hands on a weapon managed to obtain one and used it for evil”, was all I needed to read about your article. With this type of logic we should just cut everyones’ hands and heads off. THAT would end the evil within most everyone!

    • John Felts

      Amen Mrs. Bradley!. They are starting to remove kitchen cutlery in England and have made it illegal to carry a pocket knife. Their gun control there and in Australia is a dismal FAILURE contrary to what our President and the Progressive Liberals say. Check out gun control in Australia and add failure to the search terms on Google. Oh, and you can always count on what Barry Obama and the Progressives say as being the truth because they have never been known to lie…

  • John Felts

    Dear
    Susan, First off I would like to provide my sincere condolences to the families of todays Oregon tragedy. With that said, Susan, I am one of those people who you will affect when and if you get your way and take all of those “homicidal guns” from common-law-abiding citizen families who live in the US. Your ideology effectively turns me and my family to sitting ducks in our own homes and neighborhoods with zero way to protect ourselves from predatory elements that are numbers too large to comfortably publicize and for the main-stream-media to acknowledge…
    Additionally, Susan, what is your plan to have all of the criminal elements and mentally ill turn their guns in? Because, of course, your plan is to make owning a gun illegal for every common
    level citizen in the Us? Because you are frightened by guns in general does not mean that the majority of main-stream-Americans are. Additionally, owing a gun does not turn a citizen
    into the picture of the gun owner that the “Progressive Liberal” among us likes to paint us to be. A lot of us are very educated, aren’t named Bubba and have jobs that pay six figures and above, and have families, homes and possessions that we have worked for. A lot of us are women who live alone and feel that realistically, they can not wait the 8 minute average time to get a response from 911 to come to our homes and rescue us… Additionally, most of us are completely accountable and do not rely on the concept of others coming to save us, or to
    have government solve all of our problems in life. If
    you would like to write an article on for “Communities Digital News” chiding our weak ineffective, self serving politicians, write one on how they ignore one of our most defenseless and under-represented constituency of citizens who are mentally ill and have no where to turn or be safe in todays society. Our treatment centers are our Prison System, and don’t you think we have done a great job at managing that? I think that if you do some investigation you will find that Mental illness is part-and-parcel of every one of the mass shootings in the last 50 years. And, if you use England as an example of how well gun control has turned out, the British have finally upped their measures and made it illegal to own a knife and are working on confiscation all sharp of Kitchen implements to, you know, make them safe… When are we going to become accountable for the reason we are dealing with these issues in the first place? You are not going to be able to cure societies ills by removing all guns, knives, cars, clubs, sticks, teeth or hands. Become accountable, Susan, for the core problem and stop making your life someone else’s responsibility to defend. Unless of course, your are part of the government elite, in which case you have armed escorts provided, and are able to acquire conceal carry gun designation permits so you can feel like you are engaged in living life on life’s terms like the rest of are supposed to be.

    So, Susan, I don’t understand, where is the lie?

    Very truly yours,

    John F.
    Alhambra, CA

    • Michels

      I’d like to add that Susan needs to consider most of us who aren’t living in urban areas have a minimum 30 minute wait for first responder help.

      • John Felts

        Michels
        In Susan Ruth’s Article, the Progressive Liberal mind set says that everything should be legislated and that someone else should be responsible for defending their lives. They strive to be accountable for NOTHING. Paying for civic entitlements enacted by vote should be paid for by the other guy and they complain when their ideology makes their own home taxes higher than they can afford. Their solution to taxing themselves out of their own homes is get the money some where else, go ask Uncle Obama to save them and bail them out. Their gun policies are the same. When we look at other countries who have led the way, take a look at England or Australia. Their policies are hugely flawed. Google Australian Gun Control Failure or look at what is happening in England. All kitchen cutlery is now in contention and looks like confiscation is inevitable… There is no accountability in these people’s lives. Susan says the NRA lies. I have tried to post on four separate occasions to this site where there is information to be had on how our guns save our lives. They have systematically deleted each of my posts pointing to where verification can be had. Just go to Google and enter the search terms “Guns Save Lives.” I beg to differ and state that Susan Ruth and Communities Digital News are divisive and provide a platform where Susan spreads terrible lies.

  • Ken Brooks

    Unfortunately for Mr Wilcox… and FORTUNATELY for the Perpetrators… Mr Wilcox didn’t assess the SITUATION CORRECTLY… DOES that mean he shouldn’t have tried… probably… BUT that was HIS CHOICE… NOT HIS GOVERNMENT’S… HONORABLE people should be GIVEN CREDIT, NOT DEMEANED… A SIMPLE “THANK YOU” would have sufficed… God BLESS YOU MR WILCOX and FAMILY and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

  • milootoole

    An article by a person without the will or the courage to try to protect others. A person who wants to strip my rights to protect my family.

    • Michels

      well said

  • Tracy

    As a victim of crime, nobody will ever tell me that I may not defend myself. A criminal held a gun to my head to rob the fast food restaurant I was working at, my brother was coming out of his apartment and was shot twice by a criminal so they could steal his car (he survived) my friend from high school that lived 4 blocks from me was murdered in a home invasion, had any of these people had guns to defend themselves, the outcomes might have been different, all that you anti gunners want to do is to take away the right to defend ones self against an armed criminal. Ain’t gonna happen. I was at my local walgreens a couple of years ago and a man approached as I was getting into my car and demanded money, fortunately I have a ccw and I grabbed my gun out of my purse and just the mere presence of my gun sent him running, what would have or could have happeend Had I not been armed, well I’ll just leave it to your imagination. Government doesn’t get to administer my rights and take them away. The sooner you left wing gun grabbers learn that the better off you’ll be. What if the government decided you couldn’t write garbage like this, would you object? would you fight for your 1st ammendment right? Hopefully you never find yourself in a situation where you need to defend yourself against a criminal with a gun, but if you don’t have a gun, you haven’t got a chance unless you are willing to give up your life for the cause of a complete pipe dream of “a gun free utopia”. Somehow I think if this happened to you or a loved one, you’d pray to God you had a gun to defend yourself.

    • Friendzie

      So what are you going to do about it? Tell strangers on the internet stories about all the heroic times you saved people with your guns? Try to scare people with stories of how the government might take away all their rights? Tell us about how all your friends would be alive if only they had guns? What does any of this have to do with anything, really? Plenty of people just want an open dialogue on how we can improve gun laws, not how to ban all guns. Most people are not extremists.

      • Tracy

        “What does any of this have to do with anything, really?”Did you read the story or is it you just didn’t comprehend it?

      • williamdiamon

        You are asking for dialogue? Then berate the poster for sharing her life experiences. Is it because these experiences disprove your suggestion that “improved” gun laws are worthless? I thought so. You are a hypocrite.

  • Annie Oakley

    This is an example of a “good guy” who made a mistake that got him killed. To say that the NRA lied, shows how this writer used wrong information for truth. ….but that’s what we’ve come to expect these day!

  • Charles

    A foolish number of assumptions are made in this article and the truth has been “spun” to reflect a biased agenda. What is really sad about this is that there are people who, without thinking clearly themselves, are going to agree with this misguided conclusion. The argument is lame and targets the simple-minded – oops! did I just make an assumption?

  • John Felts

    I keep posting sites where everyone can see that this article is completely Left Wing Drivel and they won’t approve my posts. Is there just a little bit of partisan press here guys? Why won’t you let everyone see how wrong Susan Ruth is? Are you scared that you are fostering lies and furthering a platform that is poison to our Country?

  • bean

    When all guns are confiscated there will still be sticks and stones and sharp things!

  • President Sambo

    Poor stupid susan, yes it’s tragic that this guy died, but at least he tried to protect himself. If he did not have a gun he certainly would have died. While I will say maybe he should have hidden instead of confronting them, the fact that he had a gun was not the cause of his death. What would you have people do instead, not be armed so they will be killed for certain? If these people killed cops, then who exactly do you expect to protect you from them? It’s you or nobody, but that’s not a guarantee you can’t get killed. The good news is that having a gun does not mean that you must engage, but not having a gun guarantees that you will die.

  • Will vote Dem out

    To SLR,do some research on what happens when guns are taken from people of any counrty,for example Jamaica .The criminals are only ones left with them.

  • Julie Lenarhes

    Once the anti-gun crowd explains why these shooting keep occurring in “gun free zones” in heavy gun control States and Cities and almost NEVER in the opposite, then maybe I’ll pay attention to their idiocy and biased, anti-2nd Amendment Rights AGENDA.

  • OffensiveAndPeculiar

    Susan, you are less than circumspect. You set up multiple straw men which you then, of course, knock down with ease.

    It has already been said but it bears repeating. What we face is not a problem of inanimate objects (in this case guns) but a dearth of morality.

    My Father-in-law told me that when he was in school, they all brought guns to school and at P.E. they had target practice. That was Sacramento High school. No one shot anyone.

    In 1962-3 the people of America allowed 1 woman to tell us that essentially there is no God nor should the Bible be in school. From that time forward every social ill has skyrocketed.

    Your writing betrays your postmodern thought processes. I would suggest you ethics are situational. If I am mistaken and they are not, then I suggest you next article be about the abuse of women at the hands of Muslim men around the world.

    Our founders understood our God given right to self defense and self determination as well as our right to worship Him as we would and our freedom of speech. They also knew, (as you would if you were familiar with there writings) that the most natural state of government is tyranny. That is why they elucidated those first 2 amendments and placed them first out of the ten. They saw those rights as non-negotiable, unimpeachable, and something which was not to be infringed.

    You however believe there should be compromise and suggest that not everyone should have guns. Who decides to withhold those rights from who? You?

    And before you suggest I have contradicted myself concerning worship, I have not. Allah is a pagan God and worthy of no honor. We allow pagans to worship their deities but the God the founders spoke of unashamedly was the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, read the founders writings.

    • Jimmy Lin

      Insane guy mass stabbing, killing 1-2 in most cases.

      Insane guy mass shooting, usually killing at least 2, but the average is more like 4-5 at least.

      Funny how gun nuts say it is crazy to expect criminals to follow gun laws, but believe everything will be better if just change the “morality”. BTW, there are countries who don’t care about Jesus Christ and rarely have to deal with mass shooting or any form of massacre. Yeah, your religion have nothing to do with it, however your obsession with guns are not helping, in fact it is one of the contributing factors to mass shootings.

      Why do I bother talking to people who are against simple sensible gun control laws? Seriously, it is not as if we are talking about a gun ban these days.

  • John Felts

    So Susan Ruth, where is the Big Media coverage of this? Is there very little coverage because it is happening in a city that already has draconian gun-control laws? Is it because when African-American people are being shot to death and wounded it isn’t news? Is it because all of these shootings are being committed with guns that are illegally possessed and totally outside the NICS background check system? I don’t know, you tell me! Chicago usually erupts in violence every weekend, but this weekend extended into Monday when a man killed two before turning his gun on himself. The grand total between Friday evening and Monday came in at 7 dead and a whopping 28 wounded.
    The weekend’s first death occurred just before 2:00 p.m. on Friday when an 18-year-old Hispanic man was found shot several times in the torso and back. Police were called by local residents who heard gun fire and, upon arriving on the scene, found the young man dead.
    Later that day a 22-year-old woman was killed in what police reported as a “domestic incident.”
    As Saturday morning dawned, two were shot and one killed before 10:00 a.m., and by Sunday one more was killed. The total of those wounded reached upwards to a shocking 26 victims.
    Yet the violence wasn’t done. Monday a man shot and killed two before committing suicide during another domestic incident. Chicago Police report that a man began arguing with his girlfriend shortly before 9:00 a.m. on the city’s southwest side. The killer, Edward Prince, 36, pulled a gun and shot Laquisha Hickman, 37, and her friend Nicole Loving, 23. Prince then attacked his uncle and shot his cousin in the leg; the latter two managed to escape the home.
    The incident escalated after police arrived. It quickly turned into a hostage situation, with Prince holding several family children to keep police at bay. None of the children were harmed during the brief standoff. Shortly after the arrival of police, though, Prince fatally shot himself.
    This is what you get in a city that has the most restrictive gun control laws in the Nation. But, the Main Stream Media will not report this kind of thing to our citizens because it flies in the face of the Progressive Liberal and White House rhetoric demanding the disarming of law abiding citizenry so there can be no reprisals when the government runs off of the rails.

  • John Felts

    In regard to Susan Ruth’s article: I keep posting sites where everyone can see that this article is completely Left Wing Drivel and this site won’t approve my posts. Is there just a little bit of partisan- press here guys? Why won’t you let everyone see how wrong Susan Ruth is? Are you not scared that you are fostering a home for rhetorical Left Wing lies and furthering a platform that is poison to our Country?

  • Joe Conlon

    I can’t believe you’re looking to a Washington Post survey. I also can’t believe you’re condemning LaPierre’s quote because Robert Wilcox was killed; when you have no way of knowing that he even heard the quote. And, I hope you’re not saying that we should all have to go through Allen West’s Approved training course to carry. “Shall not be infringed”…remember? Com’on West…none of us like what happened; but don’t start goin’ Lib, on us.

  • Susan Ross

    Your argument is completely invalid. You are stating that “a good guy with a gun” can’t stop a bad guy with a gun. Bad people do bad things, with or without guns. Everyday people’s lives are ended or ruined because of bad people. You can’t change that by putting down the NRA. We have a mental health problem in the country, exacerbated by the over-priced prescribing of pharmaceuticals. You need to write about that! More people die daily, from prescribed drugs, than they do because of vehicular incidents (which are currently approximately 93 per DAY). If you are going to write about something, don’t just jump on the bandwagon because you think it will make you famous, write something of substance.

  • William K. Schneider

    You can not stop the crazy ones by limiting the freedom of the many.Evan the secret service knows you can stop a crazy from attacking the President if that crazy is willing to die.We have 350 million people in this country and a certain percentage are nuts.You can not watch them all .

  • williamdiamon

    About 400 times a year police justifiably shoot criminals. Citizens do it about 300 times.

    Estimates vary as to haw many time guns are used to defend ourselves. Usually about 500,000 to 2.5 million. These instances may involve displaying the weapon to ward the criminal off, no shots fired.

    I carry on the advice of my father, this turned out to be good advice as it saved the lives of eight people in an attempted armed robbery one night.

    Crime and evil have existed since Cain, come prepared.

  • TKpeterGunn

    What a horrible thing to say Ms Ruth. If Mr Wilcox had not acted when he did there is no telling what the Millers would have done next. He gave his life “that others may live” in the finest American tradition. Had Amanda Miller not shot him IN THE BACK he might have been able to stop Jerad. He put in on the line for strangers so you can sit in your cubicle with a latte and mock his sacrafice as if you would have the courage to stick your neck out. You do not understand that the gun rights people DID COMPROMISE. Where do you think the gun bans in Chicago and DC came from? Back in the 60’s and 70’s gun owners compromised and it led to the highest gun murder rates in U.S. history. Despite the if it bleeds it leads mentality of the legacy media, as jurisdictions have begun to repeal ineffective gun control laws crime and murders have droped. You and you ilk prefer to ignore that and carry a narative that tells the oposited story to get people to support that which does not work.

    • Jimmy Lin

      That is not a compromise, since it is pointless to ban guns if guns are readily available a short drive away. It would be like banning coffee at a Gas Station when there is a Star Bucks right next door.

      Plus we are not even talking about gun bans here, the gun culture is too ingrained into the society. We are talking about sensible gun control laws, expanded background checks, mental assessment for gun owners, and stop legal guns from become blackmarket guns.

      • TKpeterGunn

        Every single gun control anything is leading to the stated goal of ending private gun ownership. We already have all the sensible laws needed. Expanded Background checks will not work without a registry and registries only use is confiscation. Mental assessment? lets start with YOU first before you vote again. Punishing the law abiding will not even slow the black market guns let alone stop them. That is an excuse to harass the people who are not doing anything wrong because you dislike their choice to protect themselves

  • JWPicht

    Not wanting to disrespect the memory of Mr. Wilcox, if a good guy with a gun wants to stop a bad guy with a gun during a shooting rampage, he shouldn’t confront him; he should follow the example of the police and shoot him. If he didn’t know about Amanda Miller, he’d probably have still ended up dead, but people are insane if they think that just having a gun, or pointing a gun, will stop a bad guy with a gun. Either be prepared to kill, or leave your gun at home, don’t take your gun to town.

  • Coach

    The NRA hasn’t been saying that people like this coward shouldn’t have guns. The NRA is saying “you can’t even keep guns out of the hands of people like this… so more laws aren’t going to make that happen without sacraficing citizen’s rights”. Ruby Durbin makes a good point!

    Ultra ultra biased article and very very poor journalism.

  • Jimmy Lin

    The idiocy of NRA is not so much that they are wrong that if everyone have a gun then we can stop criminals in the act, the problem is they ignored the high probability that a bunch of armed people is going to cause even more deaths of innocent people. Just think about it, a packed restaurant with 30+ customers all pulling the gun out in panic and shoots, it is not just the criminal that is going to die, someone is bound to get hit by a stray bullet or a ricochet.

    What makes the situation worse is that even if everyone one is armed, they don’t really stop the killers since usually by the time someone reacts the shooter is already done with the act or half way through it. So no, good guys with the gun doesn’t stop bad guys with the gun, the key to stop a bad guy with a gun is to blindside with something that does not cause deadly collateral damage.

    The ones who kills good guys are often other good guys with a gun.