Surgeon General appointee confirms Obamacare’s gun control agenda

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This 1918 Communist propaganda poster from the Russian civil war serves as yet another reminder that tyrannical regimes throughout history have always sought to disarm their populations through gun control. - http://www.flickr.com/photos/healinglight/
This 1918 Communist propaganda poster from the Russian civil war serves as yet another reminder that tyrannical regimes throughout history have always sought to disarm their populations through gun control. - http://www.flickr.com/photos/healinglight/

WASHINGTON, March 22, 2014  – President Obama has nominated Dr. Vivek Hallegere Murthy , an anti- Second Amendment extremest, as his choice to be the next Surgeon General. It is looking increasingly likely that Dr. Murthy will not be approved by Senate Democrats, but his nomination acts as further verification of the hidden gun control agenda in Obamacare.

This position, in conjunction with Obamacare, Obama’s recent anti-Second Amendment executive orders, and federal gun control laws already on the books, could deal a massive blow to Americans’ Second Amendment protections.

Now that an interface of numerous federal agencies and bureaucracies will have access to all of our electronic medical records  – including the FBI, IRS, HHS, Dept. of Defense, Veterans Administration, and of course the NSA – all the federal government needs to do to confiscate or strongly discourage gun ownership is to re-define what “mentally defective” means as that definition applies to those individuals that are federally prohibited from owning guns.

Another avenue that they can use, now that the insurance industry is under the boot of Big Brother, is to force insurance companies to consider gun ownership as one of the criteria they analyze when deciding on health care premiums and deductibles, as some home insurance companies already do.


The Gun Control Act of 1968 defined categories of people that could not own or posses guns and described them as “mentally defective.” They were very narrow categories that depended on an adjudication by a Court of law.

In 1993 the Democrats passed the Brady Law which allowed the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to redefine and expand on that definition from the Gun Control Act. In 1999, the Clinton administration expanded the definition of mentally defective to include veterans that were determined to be “mentally incompetent” by a single physician at the V.A.

The V.A. defines mentally incompetent as anyone who “because of injury or disease lack the mental capacity to contract or manage their own affairs.” This definition is so expansive as to include veterans who have trouble paying their bills because of a lack of employment.

In the year 2000 the V.A turned over the names of 88,898  veterans to the FBI who were determined to fit that definition. All of those veterans were placed in the federal background check system and sent a letter informing them that they are now classified as a “prohibited person,” and cannot possess, buy or sell guns. They were given the opportunity to appeal this ruling but heavy deference is provided to the physician who made this determination.

Gun Owners of America, a pro-Second Amendment group reported that by early 2009 over 140,000 veterans have been disarmed solely because they have PTSD, had been diagnosed with ADHD as an adult or as a child, or had a similar mental disorder, and sought treatment for such at the VA. Statistics from the PTSD Foundation of America show  that “one in three returning troops are being diagnosed with serious Post Traumatic Stress symptoms.”

In January of this year, World News Daily reported (rest of paragraph straight from the WND article- all a quote)

“that a veteran in Oregon received a letter warning him that “evidence indicates that you are not able to handle your VA benefit payments because of a physical or mental condition. ‘We propose to rate you incompetent for VA purposes. This means we must decide if you are able to handle your VA benefit payments. We will base our decision on all the evidence we already have including any other evidence you sent to us.’ Completion of the incompetency determination would mean a “fiduciary” would be appointed to manage the veteran’s payments. The VA also warned: ‘A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both.’

Obamacare, plus some executive orders Obama has signed will expand this issue to the general population and will make every doctor essentially a ward of the state. Obamacare does include a provision that says that doctors will not be required to talk to their patients about guns, and that the Dept. of Health and Human Services (HHS) cannot create a federal database of gun owners via Obamacare.

However, there is no restriction on any other agency creating this database and, there is no restriction on doctors speaking to their patients about gun ownership.

In January of 2013, in response to the Newtown mass shooting, Obama signed 23 anti-Second Amendment executive orders. The most critical for this analysis was No. 16, titled, “Preserve the Rights of health care providers to protect their patients and communities from gun violence.” Similar to all liberal power grabs, it sounds innocuous enough, until you read the fine print. This executive order states in part, “Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home.”

In January of 2014, Obama took another step towards stripping law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment rights and towards making doctors deputies of the state. The Washington Times reported that, “The Department of Health and Human Service’s “notice of proposed rule-making,” floated by the White House in a Friday media dump, would waive portions of the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) to allow psychiatrists to report their patients to the FBI’s gun-ban blacklist (the NICS system) on the basis of confidential communications.”

This report by a single psychiatrist would be enough to prohibit that individual from owning, buying or possessing guns.

Big Brother may never technically require that doctors provide this information, but the statists don’t have to. The government need only to impose a massive criminal and civil penalty upon any doctor who does not turn over information on his patients regarding gun ownership when one of those patients happens to use a gun in a crime.

This will have the effect of fully requiring that doctors report that information, or face great personal risk. Then, the FBI, IRS, Dept. of Defense, or any other federal entity could quickly and easily develop a gun registration database based on your federally controlled health records.

Additionally, gun ownership may become indirectly taxed through healthcare premiums. Under Obamacare the government tells insurance companies what policies must be offered and what services must be included and what prices must be charged. Therefore, there is nothing stopping the federal government from requiring these companies to add gun ownership as a criteria when determining the prices individuals will be charged for insurance.

Every dictator from Hitler to Mao, from Mussolini to Stalin, from Castro to the Kim dynasty, and more has established and implemented gun confiscation, so it is no surprise that the statists that currently run our own government are doing the same thing. Mao Tze Tung famously stated that, “All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”

China implemented gun confiscation in 1935 and by 1952 Mao’s regime had killed over 10 million Chinese citizens for the crime of not wanting to live as slaves to his communist machine.

In America today, the statists and the ruling class have our health and the media in their pockets. Next, they will come for our guns in any and every way possible, including manipulating the healthcare system. Patrick Henry, one of the founding fathers, reminded us why it is so critical to keep people like Dr. Vivek Hallegere Murthy, Obama’s choice for Surgeon General, out of power when he said:

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”

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  • C. Wyatt Hertz

    If a doc asks you if you own a gun, or any question that may lead up to this, just plain ignore or deflect the question with a remark about the weather. What you own is none of their damned business.

    • Conservative Witch

      I suspect refusal to respond will be regarded as suspicious, and that fact will be reported. The only reasonable alternative may be to lie.

      • James R. Edwards

        THe problem is with essentially 24 hour surveillance on every american being perpetrated by the NSA and other agencies of the federal government, I am not sure we will be able to get away with that for long. AND they could just set VERY severe civil and crim penalties on anyone who is caught lying, so as to strongly discourage anyone else from doing so.

        • LieutenantCharlie

          The (NSA) Nazi Surveillance Administration is watching us all.

        • Conservative Witch

          Until we slough off our fears of retribution, we will continue to be dominated.

          I believe that if someone demands information that they have no right to know, lying is appropriate. I know they’re going to catch people lying, and I believe they will punish at least some of them. That’s not the point. If we aren’t willing to suffer in the defense of our freedom, we aren’t going to keep even what we have left.

          We need to encourage as many people as possible to defy, confound and rebuke the regime; there is safety in numbers. Look at the gun-owners in Connecticut.

      • LieutenantCharlie

        I will stand with Charlton Heston, when he said,”They can have my Gun, when they pry it out of my Cold Dead Hands.”

    • Triple Lindy

      In my neck of the woods (rural midwest), it is unusual for any household to not have a couple of firearms. Any doctor who has been here for awhile knows this.

  • Billie Jacobs

    Gee, I wonder how many thousands of doctors are gun owners!! I’ll venture a guess that most of them are!!!!!

    • James R. Edwards

      The AMA and 51 other entities represinting doctors signed a letter in Jan. of 2013 strongly supporting strict gun control measures. The AMA donates tens of thousands to democrats every election cycle. Plus, once doctors become wards of the state, they will be allowed to keep their weapons, but we little people will not.

      • LieutenantCharlie

        But the PHYSICIANS and SURGEONS ASSOCIATION of AMERICA just released an article advising everyone NOT to join Obamacare.

    • LieutenantCharlie

      A Newsmax poll a few years ago put that figure very high 70% to 80%..

  • Behning Brad

    How many dildos do you own? Any steak knives? Hammers? Ice picks?…Where will it end?

  • Carrie Geren Scoggins

    DISCLOSURE LAWS, AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT, HIPAA , FEDERAL LAWS PREVENTING THIS TYPE OF ACCESS TO OUR MEDICAL RECORDS:

    Allowing access to medical records breaks disclosure laws in the Americans With Disabilities Act, and that definitely includes disclosing information to law enforcement. This is not just disclosures on personal data such as diagnosis, medications, symptoms, but also appointment times, etc. This is felony counts! I saw how my civil rights were violated with ALL my medical doctors, and how I will have to deposition them for court. The bar association has already been notified, the Board Of Professional Responsibility. This is going to bring mass lawsuits, as this is already illegal by federal law, upheld in the court precedents. We have uneducated law makers, and uneducated law enforcement, that still believes that our civil rights are no longer in existence, which will cost them in punitive damages.

    Carrie Geren Scoggins Political Newsletter

    [REMEMBER TO DEPOSITION YOUR MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, INCLUDING THE NURSES AND OFFICE WORKERS, USE YOUR LEGAL RIGHT TO RECORD THEM, AND REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE ANSWERABLE NOT ONLY TO THE COURTS, BUT ALSO THE MEDICAL REVIEW BOARD, FOR ANY CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.]

    MY VIDEO ON “DISABILITY RIGHTS, A HATE CRIME, AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT,” CARRIE GEREN SCOGGINS POLITICAL NEWSLETTER BIBLE PROPHECY TIMES EDITION UPDATE, IS ON LINE ON YOUTUBE, AND I WILL SHARE THIS ON MY FACEBOOK PAGE POSTS, SO THAT THOSE INTERESTED CAN WATCH THE VIDEO.

  • josh

    So anyone who voted for Obama wouldn’t be able to own a firearm since they are mentally defective.

    • Bob Sims

      LOL, love it. I can’t stop laughing, as that includes my brother and someone who used to be my best friend. My brother was the only one in the entire subdivision that put up Obama signs in his front yard. He even got death threats. Oh, and he doesn’t own a gun or think anyone else should.

  • Carrie Geren Scoggins

    AGAIN, RECORD YOUR MEDICAL WORKERS, AND DEPOSITION THEM, IS ANY OF THIS IS CARRIED OUT, INCLUDING THEIR ILLEGALLY DISCLOSING YOUR TIME OF OFFICE VISIST WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT SO THAT THEY HAVE PEOPLE THERE TO RECORD YOU, INFORMANTS, AND RECRUIT THOSE WORKING THERE AGAINST YOU. RECORD THEM FOR COURT, DEPOSITION, AND FILE SUIT, TAKE THE RECORDINGS TO THE MEDICAL REVIEW BOARD, AS I STATED IN THE LAST COMMENT, THIS VIOLATES THE CURRENT FEDERAL LAWS, AND THE FEDERAL SUPREME COURT RULINGS. The use of office workers and medical records if indeed a “conflict of interest,”
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    DISCLOSURE LAWS, AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT, HIPAA , FEDERAL LAWS PREVENTING THIS TYPE OF ACCESS TO OUR MEDICAL RECORDS:

    Allowing access to medical records breaks disclosure laws in the Americans With Disabilities Act, and that definitely includes disclosing information to law enforcement. This is not just disclosures on personal data such as diagnosis, medications, symptoms, but also appointment times, etc. This is felony counts! I saw how my civil rights were violated with ALL my medical doctors, and how I will have to deposition them for court. The bar association has already been notified, the Board Of Professional Responsibility. This is going to bring mass lawsuits, as this is already illegal by federal law, upheld in the court precedents. We have uneducated law makers, and uneducated law enforcement, that still believes that our civil rights are no longer in existence, which will cost them in punitive damages.

    Carrie Geren Scoggins Political Newsletter

    [REMEMBER TO DEPOSITION YOUR MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, INCLUDING THE NURSES AND OFFICE WORKERS, USE YOUR LEGAL RIGHT TO RECORD THEM, AND REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE ANSWERABLE NOT ONLY TO THE COURTS, BUT ALSO THE MEDICAL REVIEW BOARD, FOR ANY CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.]

    MY VIDEO ON “DISABILITY RIGHTS, A HATE CRIME, AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT,” CARRIE GEREN SCOGGINS POLITICAL NEWSLETTER BIBLE PROPHECY TIMES EDITION UPDATE, IS ON LINE ON YOUTUBE, AND I WILL SHARE THIS ON MY FACEBOOK PAGE POSTS, SO THAT THOSE INTERESTED CAN WATCH THE VIDEO.

    • LieutenantCharlie

      But Obama violates the Constitution, and the Federal Law fifty times each day.

      • Bob Sims

        That’s what Kings are allowed to do, isn’t it? He is King, isn’t he? I have only heard rumors.

  • Carrie Geren Scoggins

    Please pardon my typo, meant to write “visit”

  • remember no federal law is a law….it is treason, the IRS, TSA, Traffic court, etc… it is all treason… led me define it for you….we don’t want all of them… they are committing treason to the united states, and they all should be fired… don’t believe read this and let me define it for you, TREASON {to any act that manifest a betrayal of allegiance to the united states!} why, stand up for treasonous acts… Now let me defend it for you with simplicity, in-case you cant seem to see the definition..and have fear to stand up for truth.. spread it, teach it, learn it, live it, defend it…. Here is the definition of it all, so you can see why people question it, and cant seem to put the finger on what is going on! And they grow up in a free country with ought being educated on the truths of freedom and law… they learn federal law which is a traps of slavery, let me give you it in simplicity….look at this and defined it for yourself! TREASON {to any act that manifest a betrayal of allegiance to the united states!}

    so that means putting federal laws that infringe the rights of the people, and making laws from a entity that is not allowed by or to the federal government, which is illegal because they swear to the oath to uphold, defend, preserve and protect against foreign and domestic. by the 10th amendment! because the federal law is foreign to the constitution and became domestic to the nation and they all let it be like that?………read my lips…….. read the tenth amendment…… TREASON {to any act that manifest a betrayal of allegiance to the united states!} ………………………………………………………………………………………

    1.allegiance: loyalty or commitment of a subordinate to a superior or of an individual to a group or cause. which is us and ( the constitution is superior to them..)

    2.manifest: readily perceived by the eye or the understanding; evident; obvious; apparent; plain: a manifest error.( making the federal law and using this federal system and judges to infringe our rights, they obviously deceived us.)

    3.Betrayal: is the breaking or violation of a presumptive contract, trust, or confidence that produces moral and psychological conflict within a relationship amongst individuals, between organizations or between individuals and organizations.( they violated their oath….)

    they swear to an oath!

    to protect, defend and to preserve against foreign or domestic..

    foreign: of, from, in, or characteristic of a country or language other than one’s own.( the federal laws are foreign to the constitution!)

    domestic: existing or occurring or occurring inside a particular country………….. (They open federal offices and buildings here)

    AND THIS IS NOT EVEN ADDING THE REST OF THE DEFINITION TO YOUR LOGIC. and when you look at the tenth it states….10th, (Amendment X)..(BILL OF RIGHTS)………………….. ……………………THE TENTH SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND……………………..

    The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is the Supreme law and is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.[1] The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution’s principle of federalism by providing that ( powers not granted to the federal government) by the Constitution, (nor prohibited to the States), are reserved to the States) or (the people)………….. plain and to the point.(are reserved to the States) means us the people as a group, and or the people….. which is a person standing on his own! Fire the feds….. and (not granted to the federal government!)….no federal law is a law!……………… ……………….. it says it, in Black and white and it is the SUPREME LAW, which, I will Defend and follow! again Fire the feds……Documentation beats presentation all day ………………………………………….everyday, so adding the Second and the 14th….. how would you define it other than treason?

    “a language” so federal law is fa foreign language to the constitution!

    • James R. Edwards

      I have a problem with this comment, “remember no federal law is a law….it is treason.” – Article 1 of the Constitution enumerates authority to the federal government to pass laws on 17 specific and very limited areas. Any law that the feds pass that regards any of those 17 categories (for hte most part, as long as it doesnt infringe on other constitutionally protected rights of the people) is legitimate and fully constitutional.

  • Nanjing03

    It looks like the Department of Veterans Affairs /Veterans Healthcare Administration is being used as a test bed, a working medical model for gun registration and ultimate confiscation for the rest of the country. My wife and I were both asked the same question by a VA physician who we both know. After noticing our surprised looks, he just shook his head, apologized and stated that he was required to ask. He then stated that he won’t ask again. Other veterans in at least two other VA Medical Centers that we frequented since 2011 state the same encounters. I know a young returning Marine from the Iraq War who received a small VA disability rating for a wound in Iraq, was surprised and annoyed that he has an even smaller rating for PTSD attached which he never filed for. He doesn’t even remember being psychologically evaluated. The latter rating will likely keep him from going into a law enforcement career or any career that requires a security clearance.

    Be careful about answering these non-medically related questions. Remember too, physicians are being strong-armed into asking the questions. Just politely decline, and then notify your legislators and get them on board with taking gun control out of medicine.

    • LieutenantCharlie

      I always think of it this way, “IF MY GOVERNMENT IS ALLOWED TO LIE TO ME, THEN IT STANDS TO REASON, THAT I AM ALLOWED TO LIE TO MY GOVERNMENT.”

      • Bob Sims

        Makes sense to me, but they will call it a felony and take you away. This, sadly, is where we are in history right now. The older of us, who have been around and know what’s going on, will be gone in the not-so-distant future, and as I look around me, I ask, “Are these children and young people around us going to be capable of taking our places, or do they even have a clue as to what is happening right in front of them, but something that seems normal to them, so what’s to fight?”

  • LovinMalamutes

    Folks, instead of coming up with ways to outsmart or get around these lunatic laws, rules and regulations, WE need to OUT THEM NOW, IN THESE NEXT ELECTIONS, if we don’t gain the power in force to stop this MAD TRAIN, our country is DOOMED as we know it! It may already be to late, I fear.

  • Cama De Piedra

    Oh nooo’s!!!! Them commies want to take your guns!!!!!

    What a joke, Democrats have more in common with you guys than they do with actual Leftists.

    • Nanjing03

      Do you mean revolutionaries and armed masses under the control of the a revolutionary leadership, who would later disarm the very “useful idiots” (Stalin’s description while under the leadership of Lenin) who made overthrow possible. Bad examples there Cama.

      • James R. Edwards

        Exactly – Marx was all for the workers having guns, until they overthrew the current system and placed Marx and his buddies in power. Then he was all for gun confiscation.

        • Cama De Piedra

          1. Marx was never in a position to confiscate guns. He was never in a government position, and the only real socialist revolution that happened during his life was the Paris Commune, which he only wrote about. In fact, he never implemented any of his ideas, he just wrote articles and pamphlets mainly.
          2. Not all socialists are Marxists. I’m not Marxist, but I am a type of socialist. There are plenty types of socialists who reject authoritarian left wing governments; many who have lost their lives fighting against them, while also fighting capitalism and other right wing forces.
          In other words, learn your history…..

          • James R. Edwards

            If you “reject authoritarian left wing governments” how can you consider yourself a socialist? Socialism is when government controls industry and centralizes all power and authority in the hands of the elite few in the government class. That is by definition authoritarian and leftist.

          • Cama De Piedra

            Actually, that is not socialism, that is just McCarthyist brainwashing; basically a strawman argument. “Socialism” is an umbrella term for ideologies that seek to replace capitalism, and eventually establish a classless, moneyless, and in some cases, stateless society. Anarchists, libertarian socialists, Mutualists, libertarian Marxists, and many other forms of socialism want to either minimize the state or abolish it completely. Anarchists in specific reject both capitalism and the state. And the term “libertarian” was first used by Dejacque, a French socialist who wanted to differentiate himself from Mutualism.
            So once again, learn your history….

        • Bob Sims

          Yeah, it will always be that way, “To the victor goes the spoils.”

      • Cama De Piedra

        Or rather, the Black Panthers who were the first to do an armed protest against Reagan’s implementation of gun control, which was backed by the NRA. Or the Zapatistas down in Mexico who took up arms to fight for indigenous rights and autonomy when the “free trade” NAFTA was ratified. Or the anarchists in the Spanish Civil War who armed themselves and fought both right wing, fascist Francoists, and later against other Leftists. And by the way, Lenin isn’t even on this picture, so my examples still stand their ground. Heck, I don’t even like Lenin. The people on this picture are probably more pro-gun than you are, because Republicans are ok with disarming people, as long as they’re white, middle class “Christians”.

        • Bob Sims

          You are an interesting person, to say the least, well versed in the history that interests you.

  • PapaBear1130

    I’ll turn over my weapons when they turn over the presidency to a non-muslim, non-socialist, non-communist, and someone who know how to lead the military effectively. Until then molon labe.

    • LieutenantCharlie

      And I will stand with you,….Thank you, well said.

      • Bob Sims

        We have a real American here today, thanks, Lieutenant Charlie.

  • EJ

    I recall watching Dr. Murthy on CSPAN.
    This articles seems like a fair representation of what I observed.

    A English born anti-gun surgeon general is a bit controversial at the moment. I know where he was born shouldn’t factor into the decision making, but it does.

    How could this man, with his background understand the 2nd amendment? Or what it means to our culture. I really hope everyone understands the importance of that right.

    A time will come when we may not need to bear arms. There should never be a time we allow anyone to take them from us.

    • Bob Sims

      Well said, thank you.