“Racist” Cliven Bundy asks a legitimate question: What he really said

Cliven Bundy / Screen Shot - Channel 8 news
Cliven Bundy / Screen Shot - Channel 8 news

LOS ANGELES, April 24, 2014—The Cliven Bundy Ranch brouhaha is now warranting 24/7 news coverage from a media outlet other than Fox News—but not in the way that you might think.

Patriarch Bundy has obviously been lapping up the media attention given to his stand against the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). The BLM and Bundy have been in a long legal battle over unpaid taxes from his cattle grazing on federal public lands, lands that Bundy claims do not belong to the federal government. This battle almost came to a scary standoff when the BLM brought armed vehicles and SWAT teams to confront unarmed protestors who came to support the Bundy family in their grievance.

Fortunately, the BLM pulled back, but the legal and verbal battles continue, with Nevada Senator and Majority Leader Harry Reid inserting himself into the mess by referring to Bundy as a “domestic terrorist.”

READ ALSO: Harry Reid calls Bundy Nevadans ‘terrorists’: Reported by Megyn Kelly, Fox News

Like Sen. Reid, Bundy is neither articulate nor organized in his thoughts; so it was only a matter of time before he would say something that did not sit well. Lucky Adam Nagourney of the New York Times just happened to catch Bundy’s remarks on April 19, 2014, and seeing an opportunity to change the narrative, happily ran with them:

“‘I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,’ he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, ‘and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“‘And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?’ he asked. ‘They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.’”

Cue the outrage. Media Matters, Politico, CNN, Firedog Lake, and pretty much everyone else in legacy and Leftist media gleefully reported the remarks, trumpeted the edited video, and in as dignified a fashion as they could muster (though not by much) pretty much said, “Neener, Neener, Neener” to the conservative commentators and politicians who rallied behind Cliven Bundy and his cause.

Bundy had the nerve, the nerve, to use the term “Negroes” instead of “African-American”. Since the man is well into his 80s, that was probably the last acceptable term he learned concerning how to address Black people. So, that little dust up doesn’t hold much dirt.

Fox commentator and radio host Sean Hannity, a staunch supporter of Bundy up to this point, called his remarks, “beyond repugnant” on his radio and television program. Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, another staunch supporter quickly tweeted his disapproval.

Try not to fall over each other distancing yourselves, fellas. Having seen the full video of Cliven Bundy’s comments, I fail to see what is so reprehensible about them. With obvious ignorance, but no apparent animus, he asked a legitimate question.

READ ALSO: The Desert Tortoise, Harry Reid: Why the BLM wants Cliven Bundy’s Ranch

If Bundy’s sole perspective on Blacks is based upon what he saw in the Watts area of Los Angeles, and what he sees in North Las Vegas, Nevada, then his knowledge is grossly limited. However, it still does not discount the question: are Blacks any better off under government subsidy than they were under slavery? The Left, the legacy news media, and now certain conservatives are so obsessed with the fact that an old, white Rancher dared to utter it, that they are failing to look at the legitimacy of his assessment. I posited this on Twitter:

The full video of Cliven Bundy’s remarks are included, because the cut up sound bites floated by CNN and Media Matters don’t reflect Bundy’s full monologue, or the reasoning behind his bizarre and controversial ramblings.

What Bundy is trying, and sadly failing to do is make the connection between government control and the fomenting of grievance and unrest among minorities. From Watts in South Los Angeles, to Detroit, to Chicago, to other areas in South Central Los Angeles, these minority-heavy towns have imploded in the past, and continue to be rife with violence and unrest. What do these inner cities have in common?

All of them are run by Democrats, and are government subsidized with housing and handouts. (Please listen to end to hear Bundy’s remarks about Mexicans.)

In 1991, Nicholas Lemann (also white) wrote a profound book: The Promised Land: The Great Black Migration and How It Changed America. It was a treatise on race, poverty, and how government policy shaped them both. Lemann often used as case studies Black families that had migrated from the South in the 1940s-1950s and came to the big city with hopes and dreams of making a better life. After an initial fresh start and some success, these families ultimately ended up in government housing and on government handouts.

Lemann documented the lives of two and three generations of welfare families; mostly female-headed, single-parent homes.

Some of these families had a fourth generation in the making, as the teenage granddaughters were now pregnant and unmarried. It has been more than 20 years since the book was first published, and one wonders if the same cycle continues for these families even today.

With Lemann’s research and wealth of education and knowledge, he took an entire book to point at how government intrusiveness and oversight only serves to destroy motivation, build dependency, and limit freedom. Lemann was lauded by no less then Henry Louis Gates, Jr. for his efforts. Bundy was making attempts toward this same conclusion, but it is all but lost in the crafted sound bites and cries of racism.

READ ALSO: Tortoises first: Bundy Ranch just a part of the Western lands in BLM crosshairs

Is dependency on government handouts—whether in subsidized housing, food, or land—a new form of slavery that kills purpose, motivation, and independence?

While despising the messenger and the way the message is being delivered, we fixate on all the wrong things.

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  • Amadaun


    Exceptional and very brave column and it gets to the heart of the matter–what Bundy was really trying to say. It’s a complex matter, and, as you say, an 80-year old guy is falling back on the words he knows, a 1940s-1950s vocabulary.

    Unfortunately, with the media attack pack on him in a heartbeat and with wimpy Republicans quickly falling into lockstep with the leftist party line, we can look to Reid and the BML thugs to resume their land grab efforts fairly soon, this time under the cover of the media’s dishonest reporting of Bundy’s “racism.”

    • Jennifer O O’Connell

      Thank you for reading, Amadaun. There is more under the surface in this entire matter, and I hope it is allowed to bubble up and be made known.

  • expertrider

    Thank you for trying to discuss the actual issue that Bundy was attempting to articulate. A similar point has been made by Thomas Sewell, but presented in a much more intellectual manner. More discussion on this is needed…the welfare state has been very destructive to black America.

    • Jennifer O O’Connell

      You are welcome, expertrider. Thank you for reading and commenting.

    • GwenKillerby

      No, the welfare state has been very destructive to white America. People like bundy don’t even wanna work anymore if they can’t steal land.

      Was time, cattle rustlers were hanged. Perhaps we should go back to that era.

      • Tim Irving

        Your misreading and misunderstanding must be intentional is the only conclusion I can reach. Bundy is in his 80’s I believe and still a working rancher and the BLM was the rustler in this case.. When they were faced down they gave up possesion of the live stock at least that portion they hadn’t killed or crippled.

  • Tim Irving

    Thank You Jennifer for your well researched and informative article. I tend to agree with Mr Bundy to some degree but I don’t restrict the observation to black people. I see it every where across the nation. In difficult times like this people take the aid of the government because they have lost hope. In time it becomes easier to be dependent on the largess of the government and the effort to find meaningful work and a more rewarding life seems to be wasted effort. But then what do I know I’m just a old white man with a public school education that ended in the middle of high school.. I do know if I were ever interviewed I would bounce anyone but Fox News out of the place..

    • Jennifer O O’Connell

      Thank you for reading, Tim. You are wiser than you give yourself credit. Knowledge and wisdom is not all about book learning, but how you apply what you know–it sounds like you have done well in that regard.

  • Tim Irving

    None are so blind as those who refuse to see ! And none are so deaf as those who refuse to hear.. I guess we have to expand this to include – None are so uninformed as those who refuse to seek the complete story.. Thank you again Jennifer..

    • GwenKillerby

      I agree. You refuse to see bundy for the thief that he is.

      • Tim Irving

        Thieves are usually charges as such, a warrant issued and then arrested. Did I miss something ? I don’t believe any of those things happened. Mr Bundy might be liable for some unpaid pasturage but he has’t done anything that makes him a thief. If anyone is a thief it’s those like you who are trying to steal his good name and reputation from him.. It’s not working very well of course but you and others certainly are doing your best.

  • Cliff Fornwalt

    I understand you wanting to say that this man’s question is legitimate. It is fair to ask if the lot of black Americans has improved since prior to 1865.

    However, if you think the answer to that question is in any way in doubt, you’ve lost touch with reality.

    Of course black people are better off now than as slaves. True, it’s a legitimate question, with a simple answer: Yes.

    • GwenKillerby

      It’s not really a legitimate question. However, a more relevant question would be:

      How much of their backward position is due to themselves, and how much of it is due to being a visible minority in a white world? Hint: it’s more like 10-90 than 50-50

      We don’t blame 4 year olds for parental abuse. Power-wise, that’s where blacks and whites on average are.

      We don’t go around claiming Jews were better off in the gaschambers, and we shouldn’t claim that blacks were better off under slavery, or even hint at that.

      Just cause slavery-Americans killed 12 million Africans and 30 million Native Armericans in 300 years and slaughtered and White Supremacy killed 6 million Jews in just 4 years, does not make Slavery less bad than the Holocaust.

      • Tim Irving

        It was a legitimate question, and a good relevant answer. You chose to change the question to the MORE RELEVANT question that you want to hear so that you could answer with the spin you like to promote. Weaving the story of Native Americans (most killed by rampant disease) and slaves the majority imported south of the equator into your narrative is a stretch to say the very least.

        • GwenKillerby

          disease? Yah, lead poisoning.

  • Janet

    Thank you for a sane response to the nonsensically ugly syndrome that few are immune to, that disease that the people of our nation as a whole appear to have succumb to – politically correct

  • Gerard Neumann

    Thank you Jennifer. Socrates is so right: “When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

  • lilof

    Thank you for your article Jennifer. When I first heard Mr. Bundy’s comments my first reaction was, he has a point, he just did not or cannot articulate what he is saying in a PC world. What he said is, in my opinion, very true. People who are beholden to the government are no better than slaves on the plantation. The major difference, again imo, is slaves were not happy about their situation and given the chance would do anything and everything to get out from under the “master”, where today we have generations of people that are more than happy to “take” what the government gives them.

    • GwenKillerby

      Amazing. bundy is all too happy to take from the government himself, but blacks who really need it, can’t? The one who is MOST dependent the government is bundy.

  • Loren Schofield

    Thank you for actually listening, and understanding what he was trying to say. It’s more than most people have.

  • Nomasidiotas

    What I think Bundy was trying to articulate was the black people who are trapped in government dependency. The black middle and upper classes, educated and with income weren’t what he was addressing. He was talking only about those mired in generational poverty who are “mentally” as well as financially “enslaved” by entitlements. I bet if he was asked he would elaborate on the poor whites he has come across in his long life, who are similarly ensnared and who exhibit the same fatherless homes, welfare dependency, aimless lives, drug use, and crime. Today’s “slavery” isn’t bound to blacks alone. It is an equal opportunity entrapment. You are correct Jennifer and I don’t think people should be “shut up” because they can’t speak as articulately as someone else. He had a point.

    • GwenKillerby

      But he didn’t say ‘poor whites’, he said ‘the Negro’. That tells us all that’s relevant.

      • Tim Irving

        It tells, you what you want to hear, in order to condemn him. Your ignorance of the world he grew up in and the fact that negro was the accepted name used tells most of us that your not capable of understanding him and certainly not capable of judgment. But instead of making an effort to understand him and the situation you rush to judge..

        • GwenKillerby

          Negro in and of it self is not a bad word. He wasn’t talking about poor whites, he was talking about blacks. Stop dodging the issue.

          There’s not much to understand, he’s a hypocritical racist, who wants and demands special privilege. And because he mentions race, it’s highly likely that he wants that because he thinks blacks are inferior.

  • tiredofdogma

    What a disingeuous argument. You are projecting your understanding and world view onto Mr. Bundy to arrive at a convenient interpretation of the man’s intent. As a Westerner who has lived around and amongst many old-time “salt of the earth” ranchers and farmers, and considering his wanton disregard for State/federal laws and his grandiose ideation that he is exempt from them by birthright, I’m not buying that he spoke without “animus”.

    • Jennifer O O’Connell

      I am not projecting anything. I am saying he has a legitimate question. I don’t judge his heart, because I don’t know his heart. I can judge by words and tone. His words are limited and he is stuck in a very limited perspective of Blacks and Mexicans. I make no bones about that. His tone is that of someone musing out loud–nothing angry or hateful in the delivery at all.

      • GwenKillerby

        I must admit I am baffled that you’re making excuses for him. He’s like saying Israelis would have been better off without a state of their own, because it invites hatred from their now-neighbors, but what he says is waaaaaay worse. Israelis are now reasonably well-off, while blacks are still at the bottom rung after being enslaved 300 years ago.

        His suggestion is hypocritical and NOT legitimate because he does NOT want to be a slave himself. But he DOES want to continue stealing from the government …

        At this point, I am starting to question your faculties. Have you been harshly treated by older white men when you were really young?

        • Jennifer O O’Connell

          Gwen, you are obviously here just to troll the page, so here are my questions for you: Why does it offend you when someone else has an alternate opinion than yours? Why do you seek to deligitimize their opinion with straw man suppositions? How is what he is saying “waaaaay worse” than what Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson have said about Jews? You say “Blacks are still at the bottom rung” — which Blacks? Oprah? Charles Barkley? The current CEO of the Clippers? Jay-Z and Beyonce? Henry Louis Gates, Jr.? My grandfather and uncles who owned property? There are a lot of Blacks who are NOT poor and NOT taking handouts. What’s the difference between us and the Blacks who are poor? How did WE change the game? There is a lot of cherry-picking of liberal memes going on in your statement, with nothing to back it up. But this is standard for someone who only wishes to stir the pot, but doesn’t want to eat the soup.

          • GwenKillerby

            Which blacks? The average black person who still does WAAAAAAY worse than the average white person. The Jay-Z’s are irrelevant, since what really matters is the (upper) middle class. And funny that you mention Skip Gates, since for all his Harvard professor ship, he got arrested like a common punk when he was just a leeeeettle uppity. But I guess this is a set up, so I can’t wait what revealing thing you’re gonna say about Skip Gates and how his arrest was sooooooooo justified and would have happened to any old white man, professor or not.

          • Jennifer O O’Connell

            You refuse to answer questions about which Blacks. Why is that? Who are these Blacks you are talking about? Do you know them personally? And what makes their situation different from the poor Whites in Appalachia, or the poor Hispanics in East LA? What is the difference between YOUR poor Blacks and myself, or other upper-middle class Blacks who are making it just fine without government subsidies and striving to move ahead, rather than play victim? Would love more detail on this.

          • GwenKillerby

            Now who’s trolling?

            You refuse to answer questions about which Blacks. Why is that? Who are these Blacks you are talking about?

            When i clearly answered that question.
            Meanwhile you STILL haven’t answered my questions:
            Do that, and I tell you the difference with poor whites.

          • Jennifer O O’Connell

            No, you didn’t clearly answer anything. You just wish to spew nonsense.

            And to repeat what I said above: This is my opinion column, my byline. I can choose to respond to you or not, and I choose to–because I like interacting with the people who come on this page. You don’t have to be on this page, but you keep coming back with diatribes more ridiculous than the previous ones. It’s my column and this is the forum where I can make my arguments and speak my mind. Why are you here? What purpose are you serving for yourself or others with these comments that have no foundation, no basis, and do not hold up to any type of debate?

        • Tim Irving

          Aren’t you ever going to refer anything relevant to the article ?

          • GwenKillerby

            everythings relevant, but you wouldn’t be able to see that.

  • Rita

    Thanks for the article Jennifer. However I would like to challenge the question even more. Is anyone, Black, White, Hispanic (etc) better off becoming enslaved to government assist for generations at a time? When you have a whole sector of society where this is their lifestyle the mindset just passes from generation to generation. Just like you have people that its expected that their kids will grow up and go to college, and then that happens–the opposite happens. You are going to grow up, have a child as an unmarried girl/woman and get assistance with housing, health care and an income from your check…that has become the norm. Government assistance is a blessing when used as a stepping stone up. But it is bad for our nation and sad for people who decide to stop at this level and never get up and go on from there.

    • Jennifer O O’Connell

      You’re welcome, Rita. I agree, enslavement to a government system is not good for anyone. The people in Appalachia are also worse off thanks to government handouts. But there has been a particular focus of certain parties on ensuring Blacks stay on the government plantation, and many Blacks willingly play into this. The end result of most of these government programs is that nobody learns how to achieve, overcome or move past where they are. It’s tragic to see.

      • Rita

        I agree.

      • Von

        Why is it that when some black people tell other black people that there are other options available to them to ‘achieve, overcome or move past’ where they are in their lives, certain black people become angry and say they don’t know who they are, are sell-outs and so on and end up demonizing them?

        Why is the message of changing the way we think that will improve our lives often rejected or resisted? It angers me even more when it comes from politicians and other so-called prominent individuals who could be seen as examples of success but act as if it’s not attainable to others.

        • GwenKillerby

          because those black people mistakenly think that blacks and whites have equal opportunities.
          That’s BS
          If hard work really translated into wealth, then walmart employees would be the richest people in the world.

          Last month the WSJ reported that this trust fund kid, sorry I forgot his name, who inherited millions, picked up the phone and sold some property he bought a year before for 15 million dollars. He paid like 7 million for it.
          Any day of the week, the working poor work two jobs for wages that amount to 20,000 dollars per year. Did the trust fund really work 350 times harder than the average McJobber? Don’t think so. Did he take 350 times the risk? Not even twice the risk, not even half the risk.

          • Jennifer O O’Connell

            Blacks and whites do have equal opportunities. What you do with those opportunities says more about you, not about the supposed obstacles. I know plenty of people who have beaten the odds and beaten obstacles to achieve and move beyond poverty. I count myself among them. There is no mistaken thinking in this–we’ve proven it.

            Everyone has the same opportunities–that’s what makes America different from any other country in the world. But equal opportunity and equal outcome are two different things. It can also be said that the person that starts out with financial deficits has a more difficult road–nobody argues that. But that does not mean the opportunities are any different, nor does it mean you can’t achieve.

            It seems as though the younger generations have no grasp of this. They seem to believe everything that is fed them, without question of its validity. The entitlement mentality that is rampant among Millennials is something that is foreign to my generation or the generations that came before us. You can forge your own path–but it doesn’t mean my path will look like yours, or render the same outcome.

          • Tim Irving

            Most people of equal intelligence and health have the same opportunities not allowing for luck or chance. People working at any minimum wage job should also be trying to learn enough to qualify for a better paying position. Just hard work without furthering your education leaves you working at Mc Donalds or Wal Mart forever. Most people have an opportunity to attend a trade school or junior college after high school that allows them to pass on the minimum wage jobs. If they don’t care to take advantage of their opportunities they will join those being helped by society or the government and complaining about their station in life and making inane un-researched comments on sights like this.

        • Jennifer O O’Connell

          A good point, Von. I ask myself the same questions. As a people, we have a multitude of examples, all throughout our history on how to “overcome or move past” our situation. Oprah does entire shows on these people! Why are we not paying attention to what they do and emulating it, rather than crying victim all the time and looking toward the government to change our situation? It boggles my mind. I also weary of politicians and these same prominent individuals (Oprah being one of them) always playing the victim card, rather than encouraging others to move beyond it.

  • Dr Awkward

    Jennifer, Cliven Bundy said:

    “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton”

    “are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy”
    Those statements reflect willful ignorance, and I am stunned to hear anyone, much less a person of your obvious intelligence and insight treat them as anything else. Teaching the poor and disadvantaged to pick cotton is not the solution to poverty in America. Full stop.

    • Jennifer O O’Connell

      He doesn’t advocate they learn to pick cotton. He isn’t really advocating anything save that government subsidies are not the answer and are just another form of slavery. He’s thinking out loud and making a comparison with his limited knowledge. Ignorance, yes. Willful ignorance? How can you tell? Let’s get back to the question. Are they better off under government subsidy? If the answer is “No” or “Neither” then a solution needs to be addressed. Neither form of enslavement is the answer.

      • GwenKillerby

        I am pretty sure you won’t have the journalistic integrity to allow my post, but maybe you will surprise me.

        To describe welfare as slavery is not only inaccurate, it’s criminally indifferent.

        Slavery: the system under which:
        – Actual people lost their children, because they were being sold down the river at age 6.
        – Actual people were stuffed with 800 in a space meant for 300, for
        – Actual people were your forebears were sold as chattel,
        – Actual people were not only whipped until their skin could be peeled off, after which they died from that, they were also mutilated, which means their breasts were cut off, sometimes limbs, and then they were forced to eat their own body parts.
        These punishments were meted out AT WILL just because Massa was in a bad mood, or because Missy was jealous.

        White men sold their OWN OFFSPRING as chattel to make money.

        Yep, all these things are just like welfare.

        Funny how government handout never makes whites or the wealthy lazy and dependent, but only blacks and the poor.

        • Jennifer O O’Connell

          I am not a journalist, don’t claim to be–nowhere in my bio do I make allusions to it; so why bring up “journalistic integrity”? Save that for Jake Tapper–it doesn’t fly here.

          And please tell me about all of these poor blacks that you know. Do poor whites and poor Hispanics not matter to you? You seem fixated on this point, as if being poor and black automatically means it is a white person’s fault, or that it makes the cause more noble. It was Democrat President Lyndon Johnson who mounted the war on poverty 50 years ago. Should poverty not have been eradicated already? It hasn’t. The clear failure of his policies, and the now endemic system it has created make my argument for me.

          • GwenKillerby

            It’s pretty clear you’re not a journalist. Forget “journalistic” whatever. I appreciate your basic decency of replying to me and not censoring me. I will try to do the same.

            All your irrelevant personal attacks on me aside, you still haven’t explained why government money allocated towards african-americans is bad for them, but why government money allocated towards your hero is good for Bundy.

            And sorry. How you can listen to bundy talking, which is clearly promoting slavery, and just hear a sweet old man who has difficulty expressing himself, is beyond normal comprehension.

            So far, what you’re preaching is all pretty boiler plate “conservative” gospel. But about LBJ:

            Do you deny that the situation of black people has improved on many levels since the 60s? There’s no more Jim Crow, African-Americans have at least the possibility of becoming doctors and lawyers and hedge fund managers, even if these possibilities are still severely limited. In LBJ’s time, there were zero black basketball coaches at the highest level, now we have several.

            Your assertion about LBJ is wrong on two counts.

            1. The situation has improved for minorities

            2. That it’s not as equal to whites as it could have been, is the fault of Republicans, not Democrats.

            Pray tell: Who was responsible for the government shutdown, Boehner, Cruz and the Republicans or Obama and the Democrats?

            On a personal note:
            My knowledge of whether I know poor blacks is not relevant. You admit that blacks do worse than whites. But rest assured, I know numerous black, asian and latino persons, I grew up in a nice neighborhood.

            I don’t really wanna continue your personal attacks way of communicating. Because then I’d start by doubting you’re black, or a even a woman, because what you say is so completely devoid of anything of the black experience. Now, I knew who my parents were and who my grandparents were, one of which was African-American. Partly because of the stories she told me, I would NEVER defend slavery promotion, like you did. You’re an apologist for blatant racism.

            But if you would want to get one over on me and rub my face in the fact that you, in fact, ARE TOO a African-American woman, then you might put up a youtube video mentioning my name or this conversation (You don’t even have to speak, just hold up a sign with my name, todays newspaper or ANYTHING that confirms you responded to me and that you’re indeed an African-American woman)

            Until that time, for my own personal sanity (which is not your concern, of course), I will assume you’re an old white guy just like bundy.

          • Jennifer O O’Connell

            You’re welcome. It’s not my job to “censor” you. That is the job of my editors to decide what comments stay on the page and which ones don’t. As long as you are not using foul language or waging ugly attacks, I assume your comments will stand.

            What personal attacks have I lodged against you? Calling you a troll? You are exhibiting the behavior of a troll, so what else am I to think?

            You can doubt all you want. Google my name, look at my website which is clearly posted in my bio. I do indeed exist as a BLACK woman, and there is plenty of video that reflects this as well. All it requires you doing is a little legwork before you make such a fallacious claim. No, your sanity is not of concern to me. But “assuming” I’m an “old white guy” rather than actually investigating and looking at facts says volumes.

            I preach conservatism because I am a conservative, and I don’t pretend otherwise. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mitigate my rights as an American to speak my mind, just as I have allowed you to speak yours.

          • GwenKillerby

            And defending a slavery promotor like bundy, that isn’t trolling? Gimme a break here.

            You do a nice job of dodging the question, but you still haven’t explained why government money allocated towards african-americans is bad for them and “enslaves them”, but why government money allocated towards your hero is good for Bundy and does NOT enslave him.

            Is it because he’s basically a good man, and poor minorities are irresponsible and … LAZY?

          • Jennifer O O’Connell

            I write an opinion column. It’s my byline, so I can talk about anything I want and I do. The fact that you cannot build any type of logical discourse or rebuttal on what I actually wrote says you either did not bother to read the article, or you just simply wish to populate the comments with unfocused and ill-founded diatribe. Has troll written all over it.

        • Tim Irving

          You are going further and further off the path. You might want to take your progressive blinders off and re read the article or read the comments that Jennifer has made in response to your idiotic comments in a vain effort to educate you..

          • GwenKillerby

            yaaaaaaaaaaah, get specific, try not speak in in Bumper-Stickerese.

  • David Wright

    Ms Jennifer, thank you for taking the time to look at the truth, instead of jumping off the deep end and joining the pack of hyenas (yes, including Senator Paul) calling for the public disembowelment of Mr. Bundy.

  • SleeplessInArizona

    For someone like Bundy, who is not articulate nor media savvy, it was just a matter of time before he put his foot in his mouth. But when I read or listened to what he said, I understood what he was trying to say. This problem is not limited to minorities, as a greater number of whites are enslaved to the government as well.

    I appreciate your article, as it expresses exactly how I feel.

  • AshDeSlave

    You nailed it. The content of Bundy’s message, not the antiquated words he used, tell me the guy’s not a racist, and there’s a powerful message about the importance of family in his message that was totally ignored.

    “I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear.” – MLK

  • Mary Brown Vaughan

    Jennifer, well articulated article and a breath of fresh air. The more Mr. Bundy is being attacked so viciously, the worse I feel for the old guy. If I felt he had said any of his comments as hateful, I would be the first one to say he was a jerk. But, even at that point, I also believe that it is not societies and certainly not governments position to monitor nor judge our citizens of their freedom of expression – no matter how stupid it is. I especially am drawn the end of your article wherein you state “how government intrusiveness and oversight only serves to destroy motivation, build dependency, and limit freedom”. I have also expressed this same belief – and it’s not just with the black community but with all American people, and increasingly so since Obama was allowed to step into office. We are truly a nation that is divided, not just by the black and white community, but with the sexual orientation issues, war on women, minimum wage issues. Do people just not understand that there comes a time when you need to stop thinking of only yourselves and think of the big picture? And the picture that should be focused on is the well-being of our nation. As the average citizen is focused on their own individual wants, the core of what made America a great nation, it’s freedoms and opportunities are being stripped away – from EVERYONE. And if the black community, the gay community, women and others who are lashing out all over the place do not think that they TOO will suffer along with those they are arguing their “personal issues” with, they are surely kidding themselves. They may gain some leverage in getting equal pay, or gay marriage, or more funding for black communities, or a ridiculous increase in minimum wage, but the underlying and MORE IMPORTANT issues of freedom and prosperity are still at stake. And to ignore them for the small gains each of these groups of people are attempting to obtain, is a national suicide of sorts. We ALL lose in that game. It’s time to put racism and all other issues aside for a bit and start thinking as a community – not a black community or a white community or an asian community or a hispanic community, etc., but as an American community wherein needs of particular individuals should be addressed – not because of the color of their skin, but simply because they are Americans who have particular needs in their community.

    • Jennifer O O’Connell

      Well said, Mary. Thanks for reading.

      • Tim Irving

        Keep up the good work Jennifer. I really admire your patience with those who would mislead if they can..

        • Jennifer O O’Connell

          Thank you, Tim. Have a great weekend!