Mexico demands ID and controls voter fraud: Why can’t US?

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WASHINGTON, March 27, 2014 – Among hot button issues that generally animate progressives and Democrats, is any attempt to shore up the system by which we establish that a potential voter is eligible to vote. They say that there is very little evidence of any voter fraud and that vote integrity efforts are partisan attempts to make casting ballots complicated for minorities. Typical of the rhetoric is this, from theAmerican Civil Liberties Union (ACLU):

“Voting rights are under attack in this country as state legislatures nationwide pass voter suppression laws under the pretext of preventing voter fraud and safeguarding election integrity. These voter suppression laws take many forms, and collectively lead to significant burdens for eligible voters trying to exercise their most fundamental constitutional right.”

What you find out when you read further, is that the ACLU bases this claim on nothing more than the estimate they provide that 11 percent of potential voters, “lack such ID, and would be required to navigate the administrative burdens to obtain it or forego the right to vote entirely.”  As this is an unsubstantiated talking point in wide circulation among Democrats, the data point of 11% may be inflated or fictitious altogether.

There now is the hysterical caterwauling from partisan hacks about last week’s federal court decision  giving states the go ahead to require proof of identity and further claims of disadvantaged would be voters.

Is there any reality to their claims?


Let’s start with the last contention first. Does requiring some form of valid identification at the polling place disenfranchise voters of color or the elderly? I’ve yet heard anyone making the claim, prove that claim. Most of the states adopting new rules for certifying eligibility, require a photo ID. Common sense tells us that the majority of voters are also participating in other regular activities for which such a form of identification is required.

The City of New York outlines just a few:

  1. Cashing a check.
  2. Applying for a job.
  3. Opening a bank account
  4. Getting an apartment.
  5. Applying for college.
  6. Airplane travel.
  7. Public Assistance.
  8. Hospital visits.
  9. Library cards.
  10. Memberships to a gym.

To that list could be added; using debit cards, driving a car, gaining access to a public building, verifying a theme park pass, picking up prescriptions, renting a car or hotel accommodations, and buying alcohol. You could also add Michelle Obama’s book signing at the White House and the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, NC.

There are probably dozens more, but the point is that in 2014, everyday functions are inseparable from the need to positively establish one’s identity.

The reason opponents to verified voting avoid citing examples of individuals to whom a personal ID is a prohibitive barrier to casting a ballot, is because such individuals are generally non-existent. Try to think of even an elderly person in a convalescent home that doesn’t have an ID. You can’t.

But, just for the sake of argument, let’s assume that such an ID challenged individual does exist. The states that have adopted the new requirements have included provisions for such people to easily and affordably obtain an identification card. The technology is here – now.

Consider the case of Mexico for instance:

Mexico, that country that liberals applaud when their leaders complain about our harsh immigration enforcement practices – doesn’t trust politicians or voters at the regional, state or federal levels. Mexico’s Instituto Federal Electoral (IFE) an autonomous, non-partisan organization charged with free and fair elections contracts the manufacture of voter ID cards to a private firm from America called Digimarc. Digimarc’s Mexico-based secure ID factory began production of voter ID cards on March 29, 2004.  Since then, well over 25 million credentials have been produced and Mexico’s voter ID card is now widely regarded as one of the most secure, reliable voter identification systems in the world.

So trusted is the integrity of Mexico’s voter ID credential that amid all the controversy surrounding the  presidential elections there in recent years, no one questioned the security, reliability, or authenticity of Mexico’s voter identification itself.  Indeed, Mexico’s voter ID has become the country’s de facto identification document and is readily accepted as positive proof-of-identity by merchants, banks, government officials, and citizens nationwide.  Mexico provides this ID at a moderate cost for those of means and at no cost to the poor.  The only country that illegals from Mexico have a sporting chance of unlawfully casting a vote, is in the good old Estatos De Unitos.  Their own country has put the kibosh on vote fraud.

Opponents of voter ID laws, assert that virtually no voter fraud has been documented to occur. This is an amazingly deceptive claim in light of just a short list of incidents discovered by law enforcement in recent years:                                                                                                                                                                &

  •     2003 –  Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.
  •     2005 –  Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque NM, ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
  •    2008 –  ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.
  •     2008 –  Pennsylvania State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found “clearly fraudulent” signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.
  •     2008 –  In Harris County (Houston, TX area), nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.
  •     2007 –  Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud inWashington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.
  •     2008 –  At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.
  •     2009 –  In November, Democratic operative Anthony DeFiglio told New York State police investigators that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.
  •     2011 –  12 people have been charged in Georgia for voter fraud as they used absentee ballots to skew an in election in Georgia. The 12 people charged are ALL with the Democrat Party. The defendants include some workers in the voter registrar’s office and some school board members.
  •     2012 –  In Arizona, Attorney General Tom Horne, said election officials discovered  more than 200 noncitizens on their rolls when court officials forwarded the names of people who sought exemptions from jury duty because they weren’t citizens.

True The Vote, an election integrity advocacy group has compiled research data that indicates in 2012 as many as 24 million voter registrations were invalid; more than 2.75 million people were registered to vote in more than one state; various counties in Indiana and Ohio had more registered voters than residents and 160 counties in 19 states had over 100 percent voter registration. For voter fraud being ‘virtually non-existent’, that’s a remarkable handful of incidents that looked like the real McCoy to the local election officials, state investigators, Grand Juries and prosecutors!

But no matter what Democrat party operatives think of the virtue of certifying eligibility, Americans themselves are on board and in a big way.  According to national pollster Rasmussen – a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 78% of Likely U.S. voters believe everyone should be required to prove his or her citizenship before being allowed to register to vote. That’s up from 71% a year ago.

In 2011, new voter ID laws passed in Kansas, Mississippi, Rhode Island and Wisconsin.  Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texastightened existing voter ID laws to require photo ID.  The National Conference of State Legislatures has a page where you can view the laws in your state.  In Texas, volunteers visited voters in districts where critics of voter ID said residents were most likely to be deterred by the ID requirement and the majority they spoke with for instance in Black communities, were somewhat indignant at the notion that they were so helpless as to need assistance obtaining a driver’s license or State ID. Time after time, individuals told them how absurd the idea was and took out their ID’s to make the point.

Voting integrity and voter ID’s – take away the politics from the issue and it just makes sense. After decades of having our votes canceled out by dead people, ineligible voters and fake voter registrations, this is a trend that should catch fire throughout the country.

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  • michaelnoaka

    The only group disenfranchised by voter ID is democrat cheats.

  • Charles

    They also needed IDs for the anti voter ID cards march on the w/h..

  • sweetie

    They need to get off of the “voter suppression” nonsense. The only suppression there is, is getting actual votes, w/out fraud. It’s a no brainer, as they say, “ID’s are used for almost everything we do in society.”

  • Jose Hernandez

    The liberals are complaining as always,they know that the photo ID’s is an obstacle for their nasty fraudulent votes activities…they can’t pay no more to illegals with cash nor with the promise of amnesty…..

  • terrylrt1

    Great article.

  • Pressed Rat and Warthog

    This article completely lost me when it started listing things that supposedly require an ID that DON’T. Since when do you need an ID to use a debit or credit card, or visit a hospital? I’ve NEVER BEEN ASKED for an ID for any of these activities.

    The FACT remains that there is no evidence of the type of voter fraud that voter ID requirements would prevent. If there was there would be a reasonable argument for voter ID. BUT. THERE. JUST. ISN’T.

    Absent any actual need for ID to prevent fraud and the partisan nature of these requirements (i,e, REPUBLICANS ONLY) one has to reach the inescapable conclusion that there is some other motive behind this. Let’s not forget Rance Priebus’s other recent proposal to use Gerrymandering to rig the Electoral College.

    Republicans are clearly desperate to try to turn back the tide of changing demographics. Old white men are dying off faster than they are being replaced. Texas, the last large red state is turning purple on its inevitable path towards being a blue state. Only one Presidential election since 1988 had a plurality of Republican votes, and that was an incumbent seeking re-election in wartime. Every single article of this type is clearly setting up a strawman to obscure the real reason for fundamentally changing how elections are run in this country for the first time since 1776.

    It is time for legislatures, courts and yes VOTERS to reject these attempts to tilt the election system.

    • adamh2o

      You needed a photo ID or SS number to get the credit/debit card, you moron.

      • Pressed Rat and Warthog

        The article claimed you had to show an ID to USE a credit card. Idiot.

        • Spongebob

          You Do!

          • Pressed Rat and Warthog

            I have never been asked or required in any way to show an ID when using one of my credit cards.

          • wisegal1958

            Wow. So all anyone has to do is get hold of your credit card (even just the numbers) and they can use it without ID? Hmmmmm, interesting to know.

          • Pressed Rat and Warthog

            Absolutely. Happens all the time. Why do you think these hacks into Target and Home Depot make the news so much? The hackers are obviously not getting your ID. They are getting your credit card numbers which they can use to make counterfeit credit cards.

            If IDs were actually required all the time these hacks would not be at all interesting because the counterfeit cards would not be usable.

    • Gail Miller

      And I will say, the only reason Texas might be turning purple is because of all the illegals swarming over the border. With the promise of amnesty they will vote democrat.. Even though the democrats do NOTHING for anyone but themselves. And not to mention all the libs that are running to Texas because its one of the last places where you can be truly free, but because of them it wont last.. I hope to God people wake up soon and help take our country back from crazy libs..

    • RGZ_50

      Sorry, your premise is false. Merchants are allowed by law to verify your identity when you use a debit card. Perhaps they don’t do so on each and every transaction, but if you don’t have an ID, you will eventually be declined for a purchase. You’re not making any sense. What is the objection to having a legitimate form of identification?

      Next, it’s obvious you don’t understand the implications of the process of voter fraud. The front end of voter fraud is a fraudulent registration – which the article documented quite extensively. The back end of voter fraud is an individual showing up and claiming to be the fictitious or dead person submitted in the registration document. That’s how it is done and that is why a tamper proof voter ID is the preventative measure against these schemes.

      Oh and BTW, you question the veracity of the writer’s facts. How about yours? What election took place in 1776? The answer is none. The first election in America was on December 15, 1788. Get your own facts straight.

      • Pressed Rat and Warthog

        I am sure merchants can request ID when you use a credit card. They rarely do. Are you routinely asked for ID while using a credit card, like the article claimed?

        I certainly DO understand the process of voting. I’ve been doing it for 45 years. It’s quite apparent what you and the writer of this ridiculous article claim is missing out on the details of this process.

        The laws that are being proposed required voter ID AT THE POLLING PLACE. The fact is there is no evidence presented in this article WHATSOEVER that there is any significant vote fraud occurring by impersonation at the polling place. All of the evidence of fraud presented is incidents of fraud during the registration process, or due to problems with absentee ballots. NOT ONE example of polling place fraud that would be addressed by voter ID at the polls.

        Since registration is clearly the place in the system fraud occurs why don’t we hear about improving the registration process? BECAUSE THERE ARE ALREADY EFFECTIVE LAWS IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES. That’s why all of this various cases (and plenty more involving Republican agents that for some strange reason this article forgets to mention) are known and can be documented. If there issues with the detection of fraud during the registration process, these are exactly where there should be reform proposed. However it is not what Republicans are doing.

        Sorry but there is no reason that can be logically articulated to support polling place voter ID. There is no evidence it will affect voter fraud in any way because it simply is not where fraud in the polling process occurs.

        • ellen

          a democrated poll worker in ohio was found guilty of filling out absentee ballots for her family, then voted on election day for those same family members. she was found guilty by the courts.

          • Pressed Rat and Warthog

            You do know Ohio has voter ID, right? And it was completely ineffective in preventing this fraud, right?

          • flicker66

            Convicted and sentenced to 5 years in jail. However she is out after serving 8 months Who allowed that to happen? I can only guess that the person was black or Holder the black intervened.

    • msfaye56

      You have to present a valid I.D. at any hospital or clinic if you want to be seen. To do anything from buying a pack of cigarettes or certain OTC meds you need an ID.

      • Pressed Rat and Warthog

        The article claimed you had to show an ID to VISIT a hospital. Not the same thing as going in for treatment. Sadly I’ve had to visit my father in the hospital many times the past few years. Never had to show an ID.

        • wisegal1958

          You really need to stop playing dumb! When you are admitted to a hospital, it is referred to as your hospital visit, because you are visiting, not residing there! DUH! You KNOW what was meant! And you do need ID for the admissions office!

          • Pressed Rat and Warthog

            Yes, you do need one for admissions. So what? How the heck does that have anything to do with voting?

            You are trying to compare apples and oranges.

    • wisegal1958

      Hello? I worked at Wal-Mart for years as a cashier and believe me, when you swipe MANY CREDIT CARDS, the register prompts you to ask for ID and compare the signature on the ID with that on the back of the card. And you are ignorant to claim there is NO EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD! That is nothing more than willful ignorance, since the convictions for it have been on the news throughout the country. For example, the lady who voted 8 TIMES in the last election and was convicted for it, and they were going after her daughter next because she voted more than once as well. DON’T PLAY DUMB AND DON’T LIE TO US ANYMORE! We are so very SICK of being LIED TO by this Regime!

      • Pressed Rat and Warthog

        Maybe it’s because I have better quality credit cards, but I honestly have not had to show ID when I use my cards. The claim that you have to show an ID to use a credit card may be true under some circumstances but it is certainly not at all true most of the time.

        I did NOT say there is no evidence of voter fraud. There are many cases of it each year, mostly to do with voter registration. What there ISN’T evidence of is voter fraud that would be prevented by requiring a voter ID. It just does not exist. People do not go to polling places and try to impersonate someone else.

        The lady that you are talking about voted in Ohio. Guess what. OHIO HAS VOTER ID. It did not stop her from sending in absentee ballots for her relatives. The Voter ID laws did nothing to stop her fraud. What happened to catch her is that some of the relatives voted at the polls, and the fact that there were two votes each for these people led to her being caught.

        If you don’t believe me you can check the facts.

        I am not lying to you. You have been misled and given incomplete information by others.

  • DublinIreland

    Getting a state I.D, is easy as pie. if some are too mentally challenged to get a friend or relative, or a rep. from their local Democrat office or union to take them to the S.of S. office to apply for one, then they are too dumb to vote anyway.

    • wisegal1958

      In Wisconsin, we have even made Voter ID cards FREE so they can’t claim that it is some poll tax or such idiotic :poop: as that! We’ve made it extremely EASY and FREE.

  • flicker66

    This is more ammunition that the republicans should continually use to discredit the democrats. There is enough proven information out there that will prove the democratic’s are wrong. Acorn the corrupt organization of community organizers once run by the liar Obama has had the lowest dishonorable people out on the streets .The type that will do anything for a buck

  • Donn

    I live in Mexico and I would like to ask you a question: Mexico issues an ID card (CURP) to all of its citizens. Why doesn’t the U.S.?

    • Pressed Rat and Warthog

      There are several US laws and basic freedoms such as the freedom of movement that could potentially be infringed on by the requirement of ID cards in a population. Various libertarian and civil liberties groups in the US have traditionally opposed national ID cards as a result.

    • norm

      Because of stupid jackasses like “Pressed Rat and Warthog”

      • Pressed Rat and Warthog

        So you like the idea of the NSA being able to track you wherever you go? ID cards are for totalitarian states, something I am afraid the US is heading towards.

  • Meesothorny

    More votes than registered voters routinely happens in states with same-day voter registration. It’s a by-product of a healthy and engaged electorate, not fraud.

  • ESSH

    MExican voter id is free for all. DOesnt matter if you make 20 pesos or 20000 pesos a month, you pay nothing for it. Nada, null, cero